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I am looking for a word

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Re: I am looking for a word

Postby Tinker » Tue Sep 13, 2011 12:51 am

The canary didn't die because this mine is dangerous, it died because it's lazy and wasn't raised with a proper work ethic.
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Re: I am looking for a word

Postby Hoosiernorm » Tue Sep 13, 2011 3:30 am

What about Lord or Overlord?
I can never think of anything witty to put into a signature.
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Re: I am looking for a word

Postby I am ST » Tue Sep 13, 2011 7:38 am

Elite.
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Re: I am looking for a word

Postby Sparky » Tue Sep 13, 2011 9:46 am

Entitlement?
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Re: I am looking for a word

Postby Simple Minded » Tue Sep 13, 2011 11:17 am

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Re: I am looking for a word

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Re: I am looking for a word

Postby Tinker » Tue Sep 13, 2011 12:08 pm

Lord or Overlord still implies some sort of recognized social status.

Elite is good.

Entitlement is good except that it also refers to some sort of recognized status as the power is conferred by 'title'.

Megalomania is specifically a psychopathology.

Basically the character that I am thinking of is a highly skilled biochemist who runs something like a corporation, though it's not a corporation as we understand a corporation because it was not granted a charter by any governing body. So she is sort of like a Lord, except that in our society Lordships are bestowed by a system of peerage that doesn't exist in her world.

So far Elite and Master are the best contributions, but they both refer to the state of the individual. The individual master is elite. But what I am looking for is the sense of personal 'entitlement' for lack of a better word that allows them to think that it is ok for them to manipulate the lives of others.

Basically the character operates like a gardener for human populations, using a vast network that does not derive authority from any sort of hierarchical authority.
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Re: I am looking for a word

Postby Hans Bulvai » Wed Sep 14, 2011 2:41 am

God
Now I'm far from home
Spending time alone
It's time to set my demons free
Been put to the test
My mind laid to rest
I'm on a psycho holiday
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Re: I am looking for a word

Postby Mr. Perfect » Wed Sep 14, 2011 2:52 am

I was going to do a lot of work on this because you clarified something I have thought about but I don't think I'll have the time.

I think a word that should be thrown in is "presumption".

I've know plenty of people who have "succeeded" in life because they just assumed that they were worthy/entitled of a certain station, not by any notable differentiable superior characteristic. There may be a phrase that works better, similar to delusions of grandeur.

Like "inherent presumption of superiority/station". Maybe something like that.
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Re: I am looking for a word

Postby Tinker » Wed Sep 14, 2011 11:44 am

The canary didn't die because this mine is dangerous, it died because it's lazy and wasn't raised with a proper work ethic.
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Re: I am looking for a word

Postby Mr. Perfect » Wed Sep 14, 2011 4:14 pm

Delusions of grandeur was just meant as an unrelated example of a phrase. I think I know what you're looking for, the person that just presumes the right to run things, hence the second phrase would be closer to my guess.
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Re: I am looking for a word

Postby NapLajoieonSteroids » Wed Sep 14, 2011 5:20 pm

This is the word:

Autocrat


I'm surprised no one mentioned it yet- it's literally self-rule and doesn't have quite the pejorative baggage of other words (though it has been used negatively, people usually go with dictator or despot...so it can be cleansed.)
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Re: I am looking for a word

Postby Sparky » Wed Sep 14, 2011 7:06 pm

Alas, no word comes to mind. Perhaps it's time to think sentence, or foreign lingo? The Germans do a good line in this sort of thing with their compound words - selfentitledcomplacence? masterlyauthoritativeness? autocraticpresumption? unconsciousassumptiveimperiousness?
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Re: I am looking for a word

Postby Colonel Sun » Wed Sep 14, 2011 7:40 pm

Never criticize anyone until you've walked several kilometres in their shoes.
Because

1. You're now several kilometres away; and

2. You've got their shoes.
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Re: I am looking for a word

Postby Sparky » Wed Sep 14, 2011 8:41 pm

Colonel,
Is there a Japanese word which you think better expresses the definition which Tinker has come up with?
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Re: I am looking for a word

Postby Mr. Perfect » Wed Sep 14, 2011 8:48 pm

The Constitution is not an instrument for the government to restrain the people, it is an instrument for the people to restrain the government - lest it come to dominate our lives and interests Patrick Henry

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Re: I am looking for a word

Postby Tinker » Wed Sep 14, 2011 8:52 pm

The canary didn't die because this mine is dangerous, it died because it's lazy and wasn't raised with a proper work ethic.
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Re: I am looking for a word

Postby NapLajoieonSteroids » Wed Sep 14, 2011 8:58 pm

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Re: I am looking for a word

Postby NapLajoieonSteroids » Wed Sep 14, 2011 9:03 pm

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Re: I am looking for a word

Postby Tinker » Wed Sep 14, 2011 9:19 pm

Yeah, I kind of knew going in I'd need to invent. But all the suggestions are very useful for that invention.
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Re: I am looking for a word

Postby NapLajoieonSteroids » Wed Sep 14, 2011 9:48 pm

empowered

Imperior

Basilestic (from Baselius)

uniwilled

Sufficient

Galted

Solosatiable
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Re: I am looking for a word

Postby NapLajoieonSteroids » Wed Sep 14, 2011 9:51 pm

...something nuclear...the word should reflect a nuclear/machine/chemistry age

self-fissioned?

WHAT ABOUT:

Argonized?
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Re: I am looking for a word

Postby Tinker » Wed Sep 14, 2011 10:29 pm

I was thinking of going with something quasi-Qabbalistic like Yetzara, which implies Yetzer Hara, the Evil Inclination or the impulse to power that drives the activity of the world. It also implies Yetzira, which is the world of formation, and a very heavy thematic element in the overall work. So kind of like the 'right to exercise power over form'.

But keep the atomic aspect going, I like where you're going with that.
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Re: I am looking for a word

Postby I am ST » Thu Sep 15, 2011 6:47 am

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Re: I am looking for a word

Postby Hapax Legomenon » Thu Sep 15, 2011 7:17 am

Not sure it exists. "Machiavellian" is probably the closest, but is negative. I'll go with "swag," at least in the contemporary American sense, though it isn't grandiose, but personal.
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