Europe

[noddy]

azari - how can you have distinct cultures when they are all responsible for each other and the measurement for success is a monocultural measurement ?

In australia this keeps going around and around in circles creating more and more dissonance and anger.

a) let the XXX live their way, not force them to live our way
b) use our framework to declare the XXX being discriminated against for not getting the benefits of living our way
c) force the XXX to live our way, aka cultural imperialism and accusations of genocide
d) go back to a)

if all this actually meant for progress, i would be cool with it, but 250 years later we are still in the same boat, turning around in circles.

[AzariLoveIran]

[noddy]

would any infrastructure built and run by the turks need to comply with german law in your view ?

eg: over here the catholics are not allowed to refuse abortions in catholic funded hospitals.

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the point im trying to make, is that I think the word multiculture is a bit hard to really define - one law for everyone is another essential principle of a "just and fair" society, and the law is where culture applies itself.

so really, I think multiculture is a weasel word for "tolerant monoculture" and I dont see any tolerance in any group of humans for supporting lifestyles that they personally dislike.

you either go all caring and demand they follow your lifestyle for their own good or face the consequences, or you sit back and watch em die.

[AzariLoveIran]

[noddy]

sounds like you and the far right agree

interesting stuff the nuances people have on these issues - personally im glad I dont have too much invested in any of it.

[Tinker]

[Tinker]

[Endovelico]

Actually multiculturalism is a temporary solution. In time immigrants will be culturally subverted by the host country, because that's to their material advantage. There is no way those 4 million Turks in Germany and those 5 million North Africans in France will keep their ways, except maybe on what concerns religion (until they become as secular as us "Christians"...). But it would be to everybody's advantage to speed up such an assimilation, which is a lot easier in a more tolerant southern European society than in a culturally stiff northern European one.

[AzariLoveIran]

[Colonel Sun]

A perspective from the antipodes.

On of the reasons it is a bit difficult [but certainly not impossible] to emigrate to Japan is the concern of many Japanese that the way Japanese society is organized might be perturbed.

In the past, some dumb assumptions were made based on outdated notions of so-called blood ties. It was relatively easy for Brazilians of Japanese descent to migrate back to Japan for work.

However, it turned out that these Brazilians were, not surprisingly, much more Brazilian than Japanese leading to incidences of friction in some places such as Nagoya [where all the subways and train signs are, btw, also in Portuguese], Hamamatsu and their environs.

Although Brazilian Japanese girls, in my view, often seem to combine the best of both cultures

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One country that appears to handle multiculturalism relatively well, Milo notwithstanding, is the ever underrated and underestimated Canada.

Noticed that the supposed red-neck oil town of Calgary in the supposed red province of Alberta has elected a new mayor who happens to be Muslim and, very much unlike the US, the collective Canadian reaction is a big Gallic shrug.

Also, a recent attempt by Fox News to set up a foot hold in Canada for it's uniquely weird American brand of hyper histrionics has been sent unceremoniously packing.

Fox is also in Japan, but is limited to US movies and TV shows. No one is going to tolerate that level of public crazy rude behaviour.

[AzariLoveIran]

[Colonel Sun]

Well it's multicultural in the sense that Canadians don't appear to freak out over differences in race, religion, dress, etc.

[AzariLoveIran]

[Colonel Sun]

Not my experience.

[I am ST]

[AzariLoveIran]

[Endovelico]

[Apollonius]

[Sparky]

[I am ST]

[Endovelico]

[Apollonius]

Endovolico,

Do you consider racism and illegal immigration to be two entirely different problems?

One reason I ask, is that Lampedusa occasionally gets in the news described as the "Italian Alcatraz" for illegals from Africa who are housed at the detention centre there.

[noddy]

[AzariLoveIran]

[noddy]