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Re: Marx and Marxism

Postby Mr. Perfect » Tue Dec 13, 2011 9:02 am

The Constitution is not an instrument for the government to restrain the people, it is an instrument for the people to restrain the government - lest it come to dominate our lives and interests Patrick Henry

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Re: Marx and Marxism

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Re: Marx and Marxism

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Re: Marx and Marxism

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Re: Marx and Marxism

Postby Mr. Perfect » Tue Dec 13, 2011 9:17 pm

The Constitution is not an instrument for the government to restrain the people, it is an instrument for the people to restrain the government - lest it come to dominate our lives and interests Patrick Henry

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Re: Marx and Marxism

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Re: Marx and Marxism

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Re: Marx and Marxism

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Re: Marx and Marxism

Postby Ibrahim » Wed Dec 14, 2011 12:55 am

The Communist Manifesto is a very slim volume, no excuses really. Das Kapital, on the other hand...
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Re: Marx and Marxism

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Re: Marx and Marxism

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Re: Marx and Marxism

Postby noddy » Thu Dec 15, 2011 5:42 am

its about defintions of words.

voluntary participation in cooperatives is not what people hear when the word communism is thrown about...as someone pointed out earlier this "pure communism" sounds awfully like libertarianism and is equally utopian.

neither deals with the fact that arrogant power mongers arent going anywhere and need constant vigil and community cohesion to keep at bay.. hangatik that sounds fammiliar....
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Re: Marx and Marxism

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Re: Marx and Marxism

Postby Ibrahim » Thu Dec 15, 2011 6:10 am

Marx and Engles take it as a given that the entire bourgeoisie and those members of the proletariat coerced or duped into supporting them (their view) will act with determination and violence to protect the existing bourgeois capitalist system. The point is that they will ultimately fail as the system loses the ability to support its own defense.

Arguably we see this happening already, as the wealth gap widens. The key is for the proletariat to sufficiently outnumber the bourgeois (often the case) and to also realize the inequality and their ability to change it (harder). We've seen groups of poor and oppressed people rise up against dictators, it's already happened many times this year, and we're seeing bourgeois capitalist systems start to sputter. What we haven't seen yet is the combination of the two in the same country at the same time, which is what Marx and Engles were talking about.

I don't think there's anything utopian about it, and much turmoil and violence is predicted. Contented bourgeois types like myself don't stand to gain anything.
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Re: Marx and Marxism

Postby Tinker » Thu Dec 15, 2011 7:24 am

That is a good point.

I wonder how China will handle inheritance when their new class of Industrial Mandarins begin to die off.
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Re: Marx and Marxism

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Re: Marx and Marxism

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Eat and drink what you like. Speaking English is apparently what kills you.
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