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The Kingmaker Behind The Curtain

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The Kingmaker Behind The Curtain

Postby skyhook77sfg » Fri Jul 15, 2011 11:06 pm

Have brought up Grover Nyquist several times

and it seems few know much about him.

Time to change that:



If you want to run for office as a Republican candidate and you want to win, you must take an oath and swear to Grover Norquist that you will never, ever, ever raise taxes. Defy Norquist and you will be denied an elected post. Go back on your oath and the consequences are swift and harsh: you will lose your position. When asked what happens to someone who goes back on his word and violates the pledge, Norquist says, "Ask George H. Walker Bush how his second term was?" Who is this dictator that can single-handedly decide winners and losers? Where did he come from? Why does he have so much power?

Norquist's philosophy of government is simply stated. "I don't want to abolish government. I simply want to reduce it to the size where I can drag it into the bathroom and drown it in the bathtub."

Norquist believes in tax cuts and deregulation, so much so that the only two things that the federal government should be a part of are the miltary and police protection. That means that Norquist is against:

government involvement in education
environmental controls or regulation
FEMA
Medicare, Social Security and Medicaid
regulations or consumer protection that control any aspect of business or banking
the CDC, the Department of Agriculture, the Food and Drug Administration

The list could go on and on. Government agency? You name it; Norquist wants it gone! Norquist has been instrumental in most, if not all of the GOP efforts to 'starve the beast' of government. The theory is so basic that it does not require a degree in economics. The more and more you cut taxes, the fewer and fewer government programs you can offer. No revenue comes in and it then follows that there is no revenue to spend. Period! Norquist was directly instrumental in the design of the the Bush tax cuts. Norquist NEVER intended that they be temporary. The Bush tax cuts were to be the beginning. More and more tax cuts were and are planned. The economy does not matter, the global status does not change anything. The goal is to cut and cut and cut.

Mr. Norquist was the co-author of Newt Gingrich's Contract with America which was precipitated upon the goals of conservative America: shrink government, decrease taxes and regulation, promote entrepreneurial activity, and at the same time, get rid of any public assistance programs and greatly limit tort protection.

Grover Norquist has been a player during many scandals. The first controversy that he was involved in was weapon sales to the Contras during the Iran-Contra scandal. While Oliver North went to prison, Norquist went free. Every single scandal, Norquist seemed to have a 'Get Out of Jail Free' card.

"Casino" Jack Abramoff and Grover Norquist were friends for years. Norquist managed Abramoff's early campaign to become chairman of the College Republican National Committee. Norquist was directly implicated in the funneling of money for Abramoff during the gambling scandal that sent Abramoff and dozens of others to prison. Norquist did not go to prison.

The K Street Project Lobbying scandal had Norquist's name all over it. After the elections of 1994 in which the GOP overwhelmingly took control of Congress, Norquist and his buddies, Ralph Reed and Jack Abramoff, along with Tom Delay, pressured lobbying firms to hire key Republican party members. They also designed spread sheets and dossiers, showing political contributions and then bartered access to politicians. The more money donated, the more access. The less money, the less access. The 'pay to play' game became illegal after this scheme was unearthed. Tom Delay went to prison, Abramoff went to prison, Reed barely escaped prison and Norquist came away again unscathed. Reed, once disgraced, has since come back as the head and founder of the Faith and Freedom Coalition, which is eerily similar in its goals to every other conservative organization. On a side note, Rick Santorum was also a player in the K Street scandal. He was, by most accounts, the Senate liason who met with the lobbyists every week and 'scheduled' access to his Senate colleagues in the pay to play scandal.

Most recently and even in the not so distant past, Norquist has been accused by some conservatives of being a supporter and money launderer for Islamic terrorist groups. His one time partner and the co-founder of Americans For Tax Reform, Kahled Saffuri, previously worked for Abdurahman Alamoudi at the American Muslim Council. It was with $20,000 from Alamoudi, that Norquist founded the Islamic Free Market Institute. While that sounds innocuous enough, just a few years after that, Alamoudi was arrested with well over a quarter of a million dollars given to him by Moammar Gaddafi (Libya) to finance the support of jihad. Alamoudi is serving a 23 year prison sentence. Alamoudi was so well-placed that it was he who helped establish and approve certain Muslim chaplains in the military. Many, both conservative and liberal, have questioned not only Norquist's ties to Alamoudi, but Alamoudi's ties to the Department of Defense. For more information about Norquist's partner, Saffuri, link to: http://victoryinstitute.net/2010/09/30/ ... is-he-now/

Most recently, Norquist was slammed at his own CPAC event, for being a supporter of the Muslim Brotherhood by the more well-respected conservative, David Horowitz. The battle is being waged by conservatives on the one side, who believe that Norquist is a sympathizer and funnels money and influence to Hamas, and those on the other side, who believe that Horowitz and Gaffney are simply paranoid.

Most recently, Senator Tom Coburn, (R), from Oklahoma is waging a war with Norquist. Norquist has called Coburn out for violating the pledge and Coburn has fired back, saying in his defense, "...which pledge is the most important? Is it the pledge to uphold your oath to the Constitution of the United States or a pledge from a special interest group who claims to speak for all of American conservatives when, in fact, they don't." Perhaps Coburn should ask one-term President George H W Bush how well his second term worked out. Maybe Coburn doesn't realize that Norquist has stated that Coburn will face harsh consequences for his violation of the purity pledge. Perhaps, Coburn is not aware that Norquist has over a thousand big time corporate donors, just ready to do his bidding. Coburn, on April 25th bumped it up a notch and said, "Norquist is chief cleric of Sharia tax law". Norquist has stated that "Coburn lied to get elected!" The war is heating up. This is going to be a good one to watch!

Lawrence O'Donnell, MSNBC host of the Last Word calls Grover Norquist "the most powerful man in America that does not sit in the White House." O'Donnell may be correct. Norquist has ties to countless corporations, including tobacco and big oil, lobbyists, and most of the conservative think tanks in the country. The ever-powerful Koch brothers are supporters. Norquist is the self-appointed managing director of the hard core right and he takes his position seriously.

If you have never heard of him, it is time to get acquainted. Lots LOTS more at:

http://hubpages.com/hub/Grover-Norquist ... -The-Right
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Re: The Kingmaker Behind The Curtain

Postby Tinker » Sat Jul 16, 2011 1:58 am

Sounds like Satan. Every once in a while, there is a real person who seems so odious that you really have to wonder whether or not Satan incarnates.

Edward Teach
Adolf Hitler
Talleyrand
Rasputin
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Re: The Kingmaker Behind The Curtain

Postby crashtech » Sat Jul 16, 2011 3:47 am

Satan? Really?

So am I some sort of lesser demon, then?
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Re: The Kingmaker Behind The Curtain

Postby AzariLoveIran » Sat Jul 16, 2011 6:11 am

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Kingmaker behind the curtain ?

you mean the real kingmaker ?








Come on 77sfg , come on


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Re: The Kingmaker Behind The Curtain

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Re: The Kingmaker Behind The Curtain

Postby Tinker » Sat Jul 16, 2011 11:33 am

The canary didn't die because this mine is dangerous, it died because it's lazy and wasn't raised with a proper work ethic.
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Re: The Kingmaker Behind The Curtain

Postby Tinker » Sat Jul 16, 2011 11:34 am

Azari, you wouldn't know Satan if he introduced himself. Satan is the manipulator not some random brute. Rasputin manipulated the Romanoffs and the result was Bolshevism and the rise of a murderous Communism. Goldstein next to that is like a gnat as compared to a blue whale.

Norquist wants the US to be a corporate police state with a global empire. You have no concept of scale.
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Re: The Kingmaker Behind The Curtain

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Re: The Kingmaker Behind The Curtain

Postby Tinker » Sat Jul 16, 2011 1:52 pm

The canary didn't die because this mine is dangerous, it died because it's lazy and wasn't raised with a proper work ethic.
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Re: The Kingmaker Behind The Curtain

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Re: The Kingmaker Behind The Curtain

Postby Tinker » Sat Jul 16, 2011 2:13 pm

The canary didn't die because this mine is dangerous, it died because it's lazy and wasn't raised with a proper work ethic.
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Re: The Kingmaker Behind The Curtain

Postby Tinker » Sat Jul 16, 2011 2:22 pm

Lets play the silly tit for tat game for a moment. Lets look at Kingmaker's in general. Just so we can be fair for the people who don't recognize a devil when he wears the same color clothes that they do, I'll point out diabolical Democratic Kingmakers in New York.

Sheldon Silver - Sheldon Silver is the statewide Democratic Kingmaker. He is the Speaker of the State Assembly. His council district is on the Lower East Side.

and

Vito Lopez - Vito Lopez is the Kingmaker in King's County (Brooklyn) he is an Assemblyman who serves North Brooklyn.

Both of these guys have their hands deep in pots that have made them very wealthy, and if you cross them, it's pretty much not possible to get elected in their sphere of influence.
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Re: The Kingmaker Behind The Curtain

Postby Colonel Sun » Sat Jul 16, 2011 3:10 pm

Never criticize anyone until you've walked several kilometres in their shoes.
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1. You're now several kilometres away; and

2. You've got their shoes.
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Re: The Kingmaker Behind The Curtain

Postby Colonel Sun » Sat Jul 16, 2011 3:11 pm

Never criticize anyone until you've walked several kilometres in their shoes.
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Re: The Kingmaker Behind The Curtain

Postby Demon of Undoing » Sat Jul 16, 2011 3:18 pm

Don't know what it is, but I'm agin'it.
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Re: The Kingmaker Behind The Curtain

Postby Colonel Sun » Sat Jul 16, 2011 3:28 pm

This is Radio Armenia - Yerevan.

Our listeners ask us: "What is the greatest success of Soviet agriculture?"

We reply: "Sowing in the Soviet Union and reaping in the United States."

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I don't know what the right mix of government and private sector is in a modern industrial economy except that both 100% : 0% and 0% : 100% will both not work.

Suspect that is it also depends on the culture.
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Re: The Kingmaker Behind The Curtain

Postby Tinker » Sat Jul 16, 2011 5:13 pm

Colonel Sun Actually Eric Cantor is wielding the killing sword of Grover Norquist. The expansions of government, ie, expansions of debt are part of the plan. Increase spending while decreasing taxes, that's the goal, that's the fundamental goal.

So basically right now, these radical elites on the Republican side of the curtain are seeking to actively destroy the government, that's the plan. If it defaults the Norquist will essentially have gotten what he wants.

His goal isn't to be a responsible technocrat slowly scaling back the role of government. His goal is systems disruption, and I think it's working.

Basically, it's like starving someone by over-feeding them. Give them all the cakes and sweets that they want but watch them waste away and die of malnutrition because they get no protein.

That is why the tax cuts came in at the same time as we spent like drunken sailors on nation-building in two countries where that is OBVIOUSLY not a reasonable goal.
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Re: The Kingmaker Behind The Curtain

Postby Colonel Sun » Sat Jul 16, 2011 5:25 pm

Have to admit that a mischievous part of me would like to see the US debt ceiling negotiations fail and the US govt renege on it's interest payments esp to foreign creditors.

If only to see what actually would happen, as opposed to what various pontificating pundits are predicting.
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Re: The Kingmaker Behind The Curtain

Postby Tinker » Sat Jul 16, 2011 5:33 pm

The canary didn't die because this mine is dangerous, it died because it's lazy and wasn't raised with a proper work ethic.
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Re: The Kingmaker Behind The Curtain

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Re: The Kingmaker Behind The Curtain

Postby Tinker » Sat Jul 16, 2011 6:03 pm

The canary didn't die because this mine is dangerous, it died because it's lazy and wasn't raised with a proper work ethic.
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Re: The Kingmaker Behind The Curtain

Postby crashtech » Sat Jul 16, 2011 6:31 pm

yeah, I kinda took that as a smart-ass comment. Maybe I need to look for myself.
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Re: The Kingmaker Behind The Curtain

Postby Tinker » Sat Jul 16, 2011 7:47 pm

The canary didn't die because this mine is dangerous, it died because it's lazy and wasn't raised with a proper work ethic.
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Re: The Kingmaker Behind The Curtain

Postby crashtech » Sat Jul 16, 2011 8:58 pm

So I just need to find the part about what sort of replacement government he has in mind.
I don't assume it would be a corporate controlled puppet gov. like you think, but who knows.
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Postby Tinker » Sat Jul 16, 2011 10:20 pm

The canary didn't die because this mine is dangerous, it died because it's lazy and wasn't raised with a proper work ethic.
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