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Obama makes USA less popular in ME than Bush did

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Obama makes USA less popular in ME than Bush did

Postby Mr. Perfect » Thu Jul 14, 2011 4:51 am

The Constitution is not an instrument for the government to restrain the people, it is an instrument for the people to restrain the government - lest it come to dominate our lives and interests Patrick Henry

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Re: Obama makes USA less popular in ME than Bush did

Postby Mr. Perfect » Thu Jul 14, 2011 6:37 am

The Constitution is not an instrument for the government to restrain the people, it is an instrument for the people to restrain the government - lest it come to dominate our lives and interests Patrick Henry

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Re: Obama makes USA less popular in ME than Bush did

Postby Tinker » Thu Jul 14, 2011 12:29 pm

It's true. Obama being a second Bush has really made it horrible. We elected him with a mandate to be very different from Bush, and yet he followed in his predecessor's footsteps. It's very sad.
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Postby Tinker » Thu Jul 14, 2011 1:33 pm

Azari, Obama was supposed to be at least somewhat different, but he wasn't.
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Re: Obama makes USA less popular in ME than Bush did

Postby Hans Bulvai » Thu Jul 14, 2011 1:57 pm

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Re: Obama makes USA less popular in ME than Bush did

Postby noddy » Thu Jul 14, 2011 2:01 pm

im aware enough of american politics to know that petrol prices are one of the hottest topics, i wouldnt go getting too carried away with the american people being against the current approach.

maybe they dont wont to know how the sausage is made but they love the sausage.
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Postby Hans Bulvai » Thu Jul 14, 2011 2:11 pm

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Re: Obama makes USA less popular in ME than Bush did

Postby AzariLoveIran » Thu Jul 14, 2011 2:12 pm

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Postby Hans Bulvai » Thu Jul 14, 2011 2:18 pm

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Re: Obama makes USA less popular in ME than Bush did

Postby noddy » Thu Jul 14, 2011 2:21 pm

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Re: Obama makes USA less popular in ME than Bush did

Postby skyhook77sfg » Thu Jul 14, 2011 3:15 pm

MR P HAS SEEN THE LIGHT
WHEN HE SAYS

""Well liberal Democrats, it appears the Obama thing fizzled, and we must now pull the plug on him. I mean, US less popuar under Obama than Bush? Think of the terrorism you're creating with this Obama fellow. Sad I know, but there comes time to face facts. Obama created enough new terror threats to make sexual assault a domestic security policy, with this much new terrorism coming down where do they go next? We may have to go mormon, I heard some people say Islam is very close to mormonism. I wouldn't know, just heard.

Time for something new. Time for a change."


ABSOLUTELY

THE "TWO "PARTY SEESAW SCAM IS AS MR P POINTS OUT POINTLESS

A THIRD CITIZENS PARTY IS WHAT'S NEEDED DESPERATELY NOW

that accepts money only from people not legal fictions

and dedicated to citizens not the corporations

that have gutted this country
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Re: Obama makes USA less popular in ME than Bush did

Postby noddy » Thu Jul 14, 2011 3:22 pm

id rework that "smaller and more localised" - corporates are a sympton not a cause.

sure you need a FED, but only some much that the locals actually agree on... both australia and america only got the authoritarian FED via ww2 - we had proper independant states where the people could actually affect their governments before that.

doesnt stop bad shit happneing but you do avoid the one disease affecting all, you can move states and avoid the willfully stupid ones rather than having it inflicted on all.
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Re: Obama makes USA less popular in ME than Bush did

Postby skyhook77sfg » Thu Jul 14, 2011 3:31 pm

interesting approach

free market competition for internal politics....

and secession as final solution?
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Re: Obama makes USA less popular in ME than Bush did

Postby noddy » Thu Jul 14, 2011 3:33 pm

i dont believe in final solutions, me - you - everyone is prone to symbols going out of control and stupidity.

more variation, more options, more chances of waking up and avoiding nasty outcomes.

besides, what does multiculturism mean.. we surely dont agree on everything yet their is an implicit "but we do" in all authoritarianism of both the left and right forms... for me its down to the basics we do agree on, magority means 80% not 51%.
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Re: Obama makes USA less popular in ME than Bush did

Postby skyhook77sfg » Thu Jul 14, 2011 4:58 pm

so i understand...

should these domestically sovereign political subunit.... state/province..... decisions trump central govt?

does that include secession?
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Re: Obama makes USA less popular in ME than Bush did

Postby AzariLoveIran » Thu Jul 14, 2011 7:44 pm

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IMVHO, issue in American foreign policy is ,

America in " reaction mode "

reacts to (fast) shifting geopolitical realities

lagging, not leading


America needs a pro-active, new thinking, new world .. counter conventional wisdom .. new foreign policy for the NEW WORLD
ahead

America still following cold war era foreign policy

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Re: Obama makes USA less popular in ME than Bush did

Postby noddy » Fri Jul 15, 2011 1:25 am

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Re: Obama makes USA less popular in ME than Bush did

Postby skyhook77sfg » Fri Jul 15, 2011 2:43 am

thanks for such a clear answer

youve thought this through

my respects sir
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