Not your father's GOP

[AzariLoveIran]

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All rubbish .. to fool poor Joe

There should be a RECALL provisions for politicians .. Canada has it , works



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[Simple Minded]

ALI,

Both parties behave much the same when they are in power, and much the same when they lose power........

Human nature is the driver, political ideology seems a very weak horse.......

[Azrael]

The GOP would do anything to undermine Obama.

Obama should make a speech, reminding Americans about how many people have been killed by Gaddafi's terrorism.

[skyhook77sfg]

THESIS

The largest expense in our annual budget is entitlements. The second largest is defense spending. Republicans like Graham often go to great lengths to point out that defense doesn’t really cost that much. Yet when these same Republicans are asked why the size of government and debt doubled under President Bush, what’s their typical answer? We were fighting two wars.

They can’t have it both ways.

Yet to date, Republicans have. In supporting the U.S. intervention in Libya, encouraging one in Syria, and advocating a permanent American presence in Afghanistan, Graham is certainly one of the more hawkish Republicans. But the extent to which his party agrees with him on foreign policy is a primary source of our debt problem, and if you asked each Republican who opposed the Paul budget their reason for doing so, chances are you would get an answer similar to Graham’s.

Few Republicans have offered any alternative budgets to Paul’s that feature actual cuts (the most notable would be Sen. Pat Toomey’s, which also recognized the necessity of defense cuts), precisely because achieving such a feat must include a reduction in Pentagon spending. Only six of Paul’s GOP colleagues appeared to understand this mathematical truism last March.

We spend more on defense now than at any time in our history since World War II and 72% of Americans now say the U.S. does too much around the world. The current debate in the GOP presidential primaries is whether the party will remain that of Bush—one that continues to police the world through countless open-ended commitments for questionable reasons at an exorbitant cost—or become a Republican Party that believes there are practical and fiscal limits to what our military can achieve around the globe.

http://www.amconmag.com/blog/2011/07/05 ... ed-to-war/


ANTITHESIS 1


The Republican Party as such has been wholly owned by the defense establishment for over 30 years. It chose not to educate its constituency to the historic opportunity presented by the fall of the Berlin Wall, the re-unification of Germany and the end of the Cold War. Instead it promoted the patent nonsense that Islam was an existential threat and a suitable, not to say, handy and convenient enemy to replace the Soviet empire. It thus expected to keep itself and the establishment buoyant. 10 disastrous years later, how does it give up on this without giving up its soul and revealing itself as having been profoundly wrong.
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The Party at minimum requires a purge and even with one is probably beyond reconstruction.



ANTITHESIS 2

How can you balance the Federal Budget when every “dollar” that is put into circulation is debt based. Its an Impossibility. We have paper debt backing paper money buying real goods and services.The interest payments alone are not payable. The problem is that our money system is fraudulent and designed to not only collapse,but to funnel the wealth of the nation into the hands of a few elitist bankers.Back in the day when our money was Constitutionally correct (gold and silver) our nation was not only an economic powerhouse but was the largest creditor nation in the world. Today, our National Debt is not only going to choke to death the Nation economically,but create a nation of debt serfs that will destroy our Middle Class and enslave the American people for the next 5 generations.Already our national “leaders” are selling off much of our national assets to our creditors,especially the Chinese,in order to continue the farce of a debt backed currency. Ron Paul is right,its time to End The Fed,balance the budget with real money and dismantle our bankrupt,corrupt welfare/warfare state.

[Mr. Perfect]

[Tinker]

Shaking hands with a world leader isn't damning evidence fred. Stop talking in your retarded voice.

Why do you ruin a good point with your retarded voice? Obama has fucked his hand over Libya, but nit because he did his job at a state visit during peacetime.

[Mr. Perfect]

If the position of the Obama administration could have ever been that Qboy was a terrorist mastermind responsible for American deaths Obama should have met him with a US issue M9 Beretta, pressed it to Qboy's forehead and blown his brains out.

Get it?

[Tinker]

[amos]

[Mr. Perfect]

[amos]

[Tinker]

[Mr. Perfect]

[Mr. Perfect]

[amos]

[Mr. Perfect]

That's good. I like winning elections and policy contests. As a result I'm pretty happy these days.

[amos]

[skyhook77sfg]

A RETURN TO REALITY


From Time Magazine, May 16, 2006:

When I called on Libyan Leader Muammar Gaddafi in his Bedouin tent last year, he was at pains to explain how he and President Bush were on the same wavelength. In all his years as a bad boy in the eyes of the West, he said, Libya was simply doing what Bush did when he invaded Iraq. "Bush is saying that America is fighting for the triumph of freedom," Gaddafi said between sips of tea. "When we were supporting liberation movements in the world, we were arguing that it was for the victory of freedom. We both agree. We were fighting for the cause of freedom."

At the time, it may have sounded like the typical ramblings of the Libyan leader. But now, a year later, Gaddafi and Bush do apparently see eye to eye. On Monday, Gaddafi accomplished one of history's great diplomatic turnarounds when Secretary of State Condeleezza Rice announced that the U.S. was restoring full diplomatic relations with Libya and held up the Great Socialist People's Libyan Arab Jamahiriya as "a model" for others to follow. Rice attributed the ending of the U.S.'s long break in diplomatic relations to Gaddafi's historic decision in 2003 to dismantle weapons of mass destruction and renounce terrorism as well as Libya's "excellent cooperation in response to common global threats faced by the civilized world since September 11, 2001."

[Tinker]

[Mr. Perfect]

[AzariLoveIran]

[Tinker]

[Mr. Perfect]

Perhaps you can tell me why he hasn't given that speech yet.

I have the answer if you can't think of one.

[Tinker]

[skyhook77sfg]

Raising the debt limit should be a no-brainer, yet the no-brains in Washington are wasting time arguing instead of acting

Not only is the money already spent, the Republicans are the ones who spent it. It’s not Social Security that drove up the debt over the last decade. Social Security is responsible for 0% of the deficit. Make that 0.00%, to be exact. The deficit that the Republicans are railing against is driven by the cost of the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan, and by the cost of the recently extended Bush tax cuts. You know what’ll happen if we cut Social Security? We’ll get less Social Security, not less deficit.

It’s funny that politicians on both sides of the aisle keep demanding that “everything be on the table,” when what they really mean is that “everything not responsible for the problem be on the table.” Not that it matters. The truth is that Republicans aren’t interested in solving the problem. They’re making the problem. They invented it from thin, hot air and they’re entirely invested in seeing that the problem gets worse.


...“everything” except taxing the rich, or letting the Bush tax cuts expire, is “on the table.”

Don’t think the Republicans would put the nation at risk on purpose? Consider this: the only thing they won’t even think about, the only option so odious they’ll walk out of the room rather than talk about it, is precisely the only thing that would actually help. If we allow the Bush tax cuts to expire as scheduled—all of the cuts—the deficit will dry up and the nation will return to sound fiscal standing in short order. If we don’t allow those unsustainable rates to expire … then we will. If we go down after making cuts in Social Security and health care, then we’ll we’ll only succeed in making a lot of people miserable to no purpose. Only returning taxes to viable levels will help.

If Republicans were actually concerned about the fiscal health of the nation, they would sign onto raising the debt ceiling without hesitation or condition. Because there’s nothing wrong, and because raising the limit would cost nothing. Instead they’ve created a completely artificial problem as nothing more than an excuse to extend the damage they’ve already caused. It’s really a wonderful little game they’ve created: drive the nation so far into debt that there’s no choice but to raise the limit, then use raising the limit as an excuse to create more debt. No wonder they call it red ink.

The only crisis we’re facing is that one of our nation’s political parties has decided to hold its breath until the nation turns red.

http://my.firedoglake.com/candide08/201 ... al-crisis/