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Global Warming Apostasy!

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Re: Global Warming Apostasy!

Postby the glowing carp » Wed Jun 22, 2011 1:21 am

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Monkton, pictured, says that the Communists have taken over the Green movement to become Nazis, or some crap, hilarious, how anybody can take this idiot seriously is beyond me....oh thats right the Republicans do, they employed him to present their anti-MMGW case to the Senate.

No doubt Jewish people will be insulted that Monkton minimises Nazism by equivalence of creators of the Holocaust to professionals who accept the proposal of man made Global warming.

Monkton is also participating in a dangerous game of 'normalising' Nazism, by using this ideology as a scale of comparison to mainstream, no-life threatening activity, he gives it, Nazism, relevance to todays political sphere.
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Re: Global Warming Apostasy!

Postby Colonel Sun » Wed Jun 22, 2011 4:34 am

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Re: Global Warming Apostasy!

Postby Colonel Sun » Wed Jun 22, 2011 4:55 am

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Re: Global Warming Apostasy!

Postby the glowing carp » Wed Jun 22, 2011 6:56 am

The first image from the new Cryosat has been released, roughly compared to PIPS2 from Feb1, 2011, Cryosat measures Ice thickness way thicker than PIPS2.0, the easiest evidence to spot is the area to the left of Greenland, Baffin bay, Cryosat has this at largely 3m thick, while PIPS2.0 has it between 1.75m and 0.5m, and areas along Russia where PIPS shows 0.5m to 1.75m, Cryosat shows from 2m to 3m. In fact the whole scale for Cryosat is peculiar as it doesn't go below 2m and average winter ice thickness is 2.5m.




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Re: Global Warming Apostasy!

Postby the glowing carp » Thu Jun 23, 2011 2:58 am

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Various studies showing sea level rise at different locations around globe.
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Re: Global Warming Apostasy!

Postby Colonel Sun » Thu Jun 23, 2011 5:11 am

A new Mann-made hockey stick. How quaint.



What the scientists who specialize in sea-level analysis report:



J. R. Houston† and R. G. Dean‡
†Director Emeritus, Engineer Research and Development Center, Corps of Engineers, 3909 Halls Ferry Road, Vicksburg, MS 39180, U.S.A. james.r.houston@usace.army.mil
‡Professor Emeritus, Department of Civil and Coastal Civil Engineering, University of Florida, Gainesville, FL 32611, U.S.A. dean@coastal.ufl.edu

Abstract
Without sea-level acceleration, the 20th-century sea-level trend of 1.7 mm/y would produce a rise of only approximately 0.15 m from 2010 to 2100; therefore, sea-level acceleration is a critical component of projected sea-level rise. To determine this acceleration, we analyze monthly-averaged records for 57 U.S. tide gauges in the Permanent Service for Mean Sea Level (PSMSL) data base that have lengths of 60–156 years. Least-squares quadratic analysis of each of the 57 records are performed to quantify accelerations, and 25 gauge records having data spanning from 1930 to 2010 are analyzed. In both cases we obtain small average sea-level decelerations. To compare these results with worldwide data, we extend the analysis of Douglas (1992) by an additional 25 years and analyze revised data of Church and White (2006) from 1930 to 2007 and also obtain small sea-level decelerations similar to those we obtain from U.S. gauge records.

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With having read the new Mann sea-level hockey stick paper in detail, I will still venture that sampling at two spatial points in N Carolina prone to shifting sands is not sufficient for making global inferences about sea levels and that there are numerous systematic uncertainties not properly accounted for. Amateur GIGO.
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Some perspective:



Note the units: metre = 1000 mm.

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Anyways, I'll renew my offer to buy your soon-to-be-inundated property for 1 Australian dollar.

On the other hand, to make it fair dinkum offer, I should mention that Al Gore acted on his claims of imminent future AGW flooding by purchasing a sea-side mansion in Montecito, California last year.
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Re: Global Warming Apostasy!

Postby the glowing carp » Fri Jun 24, 2011 10:12 am

The paper you link is by 2 retired Engineers who have no experience in Geological reconstructions and find different to all other papers published. Ironically the Engineers use data developed by Church and say that sea level rise is slowing done, the opposite to what Chuch finds (below).
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Anthony Watts doesn't even dispute the fact the World is warming up now, after his surface stations found the US and by extension Global temperature record to be correct, so it is just simple physics that sea levels will rise due to expansion and melting ice, although the increase in atmospheric water vapour will result in less sea level rise. Decreasing Glaciers will lead to an increase in isostatic rebound wich will lead to a decrease in sea level in some areas.

Al Gore's Mansion is in the hills of Montecito, the 'Monte' should have been a give away.

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So it seems he does believe what he says and will have a good view of a rising sea.
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Re: Global Warming Apostasy!

Postby Demon of Undoing » Fri Jun 24, 2011 1:18 pm

Does this mean we can finally get some consistently good waves at Daytona? Right now a four footer is tubular. The flat surf really is the only downside to that beach.

Well, that and the pedophiles, but what're ya gonna do?
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Re: Global Warming Apostasy!

Postby Colonel Sun » Fri Jun 24, 2011 3:38 pm

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Re: Global Warming Apostasy!

Postby Colonel Sun » Fri Jun 24, 2011 3:49 pm

Various AGW advocacy groups, including those inside the US EPA, had hoped to use the US courts to enforce their beliefs.

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Re: Global Warming Apostasy!

Postby the glowing carp » Sat Jun 25, 2011 2:47 am

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Re: Global Warming Apostasy!

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Re: Global Warming Apostasy!

Postby Demon of Undoing » Sat Jun 25, 2011 4:27 am

I'm not sure it's a good idea to decide science in a court. Especially not an American one right now. The ruling you contend was bought is perfect proof of why doing so is a bad idea. Now you have nothing.

It tends to put a solidifying fiat on any decision. If science is to have any ability to revise conclusions based on new, better evidence, I should suggest you stay as far away from the American court system as possible. A ruling that CO2 is a harmful gas would quickly be pushed to justify every conceiveable permutation and half of those that are inconceivable. Before you know it, SWAT teams will be kicking in the doors of people that own one too many dogs.
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Re: Global Warming Apostasy!

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Re: Global Warming Apostasy!

Postby Azrael » Sat Jun 25, 2011 5:00 am

Eat and drink what you like. Speaking English is apparently what kills you.
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Re: Global Warming Apostasy!

Postby Demon of Undoing » Sat Jun 25, 2011 5:20 am

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Re: Global Warming Apostasy!

Postby Azrael » Sat Jun 25, 2011 5:27 am

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Re: Global Warming Apostasy!

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Re: Global Warming Apostasy!

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Re: Global Warming Apostasy!

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Re: Global Warming Apostasy!

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Re: Global Warming Apostasy!

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Re: Global Warming Apostasy!

Postby Colonel Sun » Sat Jun 25, 2011 12:23 pm

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Re: Global Warming Apostasy!

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Re: Global Warming Apostasy!

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