Obama vs the CIA?

[rednblacklumberjack]

[skyhook77sfg]

perp march of cheney addington rumsfeld yoo in cuffs and leg irons would be appropriate...

but will not happen....

too many beans would spill

about much more important crimes.

[rednblacklumberjack]

[skyhook77sfg]

the latter....

[Mr. Perfect]

[skyhook77sfg]

big fat lie again....

not one american is know to have engaged in torture in clintonista times.

cite a reference or retract.

[Mr. Perfect]

Oh yes, the reverse Nuremberg defense.

"Herr Commissar, I did not conduct the torture, I merely gave the orders that resulted in de torture."

What company you keep.

[rednblacklumberjack]

Mr. P, are you aware of the role played by Addington and Yoo? One of their most important responsibilities was to craft spaces for torture out of legal ambiguities and executive power.

Yoo has said this much on the Daily Show, and many other outlets. Addington's testimony to Congress seemed pretty damning, from what I recall. His and Yoo's role isn't unclear, even if they couch what they did in very legalistic terms. We aren't talking about corporate law. We're talking about what bureaucratic dance was done in the service of torture.

"Reduction" from Clinton's time... Yes, Bill the Butcher...how do you know this?

[Mr. Perfect]

[rednblacklumberjack]

[Mr. Perfect]

One wonders why you don't know about the Clinton torture program.

http://www.google.com/search?q=clinton+ ... =firefox-a

http://www.historycommons.org/context.j ... adiplomats

Read it all, don't make me copy and paste.

[skyhook77sfg]

a lot of people dont know because the clintonistas kept it very quiet...

and kept the actual torturing outside US control

and never had US personnel administer it....


still an abominable practice everyone should condemn...


and even more so the Cheney Bush escalation in numbers, intensity and brazen disregard

for public awareness and the corrosive effect on US personnel , international standing

and command concern for future reprisals on US troops when they unleashed torture by US agents as policy.


ALL TORTURE AT ALL TIMES IS A DEGENERATE ACT OF THE MORALLY DEPRAVED.

[Mr. Perfect]

[Tinker]

[skyhook77sfg]

maybe?

says volumes about your character.

let us know when you make up your mind

and take a substantive position one way or the other.

maybe......

maybe you could flip a coin.

morality doesnt seem to play

a role in your world.

[Tinker]

skyhook What he is saying is that he's a little sheep who can only do what's right if Democrats do it first. His central thesis is that Democrats are the moral center of this country and that Republicans are amoral imbeciles who cannot make up their own minds on moral issues without first being enraged by those depraved Democrats.

[Mr. Perfect]

[Mr. Perfect]

[skyhook77sfg]

actually your smart ass obstructions to constructive dialogue makes people run from your positions in droves.

you are activating the opposite of what you seek....

unless you are presenting clinically obsessed narcissism seeking only negative attention to imaginary 'specialness"

only a proper workup could say for sure.

[Mr. Perfect]

[skyhook77sfg]

clinically obsessed narcissism is a difficult prognosis.

dont have that kind of time these days.

can refer you to a top man in your area.

[Mr. Perfect]

What's in it for me?

[Mr. Perfect]

[rednblacklumberjack]

Counter ad hominem: Does anyone else wish you were skyhook, or at least as storied and learned?

[Tinker]