The Corporate State Wins Again

[Tinker]

[Mr. Perfect]

Really. What is changing before your eyes.

BTW, when you go into business, what rights do you want to give up?

[skyhook77sfg]

Following should be enacted as amendment to US Constitution as soon as the public realizes the corporate usurpation of political power is antidemocratic fascism:



The rights and privileges outlined in this Constitution are reserved for natural born persons, and do not apply to Corporations, Trusts, Unions, or other “legal fictions” or “fictitious persons.”

All corporations, trusts, unions, and other “legal fictions” or “fictitious persons” (hereafter referred to as “corporations”) shall be subject, but not limited to, the following restrictions within the borders of the United States, its holdings, and trade partners:

Corporations may not own stock or controlling interest in any corporation than itself, and directors of one corporation may not sit on the board of another.

Corporations must acquire a charter to operate. The Congress may issue, review, suspend, or revoke a national charter. However, the States reserve the right to review, suspend, modify, or revoke any such charter within their territories in accordance with the law. Also, states individually may issue, review, suspend, modify, and revoke charters to operate within their own territories.

Corporations shall not be granted immortality. All corporate charters shall be reviewed at minimum every ten years to ensure that the company does not harm the public good, and shall not be renewed more than 10 times for a total lifespan of 100 years.

Corporations shall be forbidden to donate funds, goods, or services to politicians, lobby Congress, or influence the outcome of elections.

The Congress and State Legislatures shall have power to enforce, by appropriate legislation, the provisions of this article.

[lzzrdgrrl]

hmn..... thread title spelling suggests a neologism.... .....

lessee...... + => Coprolate State. Everything about 'corporate' and 'corporation' applies, plus it's as hard as hell and fulla shit '>.........

[skyhook77sfg]

hey

thats some really good shit you posted

about that really bad shit goin down....

[Tinker]

[Demon of Undoing]

My first introduction to the idea was through Gerry Spence , so I am sympathetic to the anti position. But I do think there is something to MrP's rebuttal. I run a small business ; we have a damn hard enough time as it is.

[skyhook77sfg]

can empathize...

know the problems too welll.


but repeal of corporate personhood would have zero effect

on any small business operation in this country....


might even level the playing field.

we note no small businesses got a bailout..


but the really really big ones did

and bonuses to boot.

[Tinker]

[skyhook77sfg]

the cold war was the most expensive and ultimately most anti-democratic development in recent human history.

we still suffer from the wounds to freedom inflicted in the name of defending freedom (the template for 911 USG response).

the transformation into the military industrial congressional media complex controlled by corporate money began in 1947 disguised as the national security state.

cold war...korean war...vietnam war...grenada...nicaragua...panama...drug war...terror war.

all for the national security of the state....

and less and less security for its citizens .


only a million or two or ten unhappy campers milling about the District of Criminals

marching silently by day and crafting ropes into nooses by campfire light

will get through to the corporate money pimps in congress and the courts.






Give em hell Harry sure did.

[Mr. Perfect]

[Mr. Perfect]

[Mr. Perfect]

[Demon of Undoing]

Wait , somebody gimme a no - shitter here. I'm not being obtuse. End of corporate personhood means it's not " _______ , Inc" , but " My name , my assets, my credit rating , my house forfeit for professional failings" , etc. Is that what we are talking about ? Because if that's the case , I'm sooooooo out of here. Twenty people would go unemployed overnight by my hand.

[skyhook77sfg]

NO

end of corporate personhood would mean only corporations do not have the rights of a natural person....

ie no unlimited corporate financing of politicians as declared recently by the supremes.

[noddy]

individuals arent too big to fail, and dont get legislated as holier than thou "official suppliers of a service" with barriers to entry against all competition.

heres to more individualist treatment for corporations

[CgDs]

[noddy]

the amount you blame the laws that make these corporates so powerful and lacking in consequence on the "big-money right" versus the "protect-us left" is purely a matter of personal taste... both sides enable the other.

the more you want less risk from dodgy products/suppliers and the more you want stable employment, the more you create large government protected corporations.

its a feature, not a bug.

[Mr. Perfect]

[Mr. Perfect]

[skyhook77sfg]

IF CORPORATIONS HAVE RIGHTS THEY SURE AS HELL HAVE RESPONSIBILITIES

if they dont they should be terminated


Business has, to a large degree, replaced government as the captain and navigator of our modern geo-political ship. Therefore, business leaders are called upon to take a new view of their responsibilities. It is essential that such leaders embrace practices that balance business acumen with a goal of creating a sustainable, just, and thriving world.

t is incumbent on them – and us – to equate success not only with profits but also with how well a company performs in contributing to a sustainable world. When profits are attained through child slavery, environmental destruction, and other practices encouraged by predatory capitalism so prevalent in Third World countries, it is a false profit that ultimately fosters discontent and hatred and often leads to acts of terrorism.

During the first hundred years the US was a country, no corporation could obtain a charter in any state unless it proved that it would serve a public interest; most charters had to be renewed every ten years and the “public interest standard” applied once again. This all ended in the late 1800s when the Supreme Court decided that corporations had the rights, but not the responsibilities, of individuals.

It is time that our corporations move from the goal expounded by Milton Friedman and the Chicago School of Economics in the 1970s that “the only responsibility of business is to maximize profits, regardless of the environmental and social costs” to a new goal that encourages reasonable rates of return for investors but only within the context of serving the public. We the People must be the beneficiaries of the most important geo-political force on our planet today.

[Mr. Perfect]

You must be obese, that is the only plausible explanation for your determination to exercise in futility.

BTW, why do you want to give up all your rights when you go into business?

[Tinker]

[Mr. Perfect]

[Juno]

checkin' in to say hi to everyone. have I missed anything?