A chance for real change: Ron Paul could win the White House

[Captain Murphy]

[Colonel Sun]

Nations have no permanent friends or allies, they only have permanent interests.

~ Lord Palmerston

POTUS Nixon established diplomatic relations with mainland China whose then head of state, Mao, was one of the worst mass murderers in history.



However, I submit that it was the right thing to do. Pretending that 1 billion people did not exist was silly.

A bigger problem is maintaining a financial-lobbying-based friendship with a govt that is against one's permanent interests

eg., the kleptocracy of S Arabia and it's financial support of exported Wahabism.

[skyhook77sfg]

100% truth sir.

And in addition to Wahabbism the Saudi degenerates export terrorists and finance their activities.

Every blown oil pipeline anywhere raises the price of Saudi crude.

Time to review FDR's contract with Ibn Saud...

[Mr. Perfect]

[Mr. Perfect]

[Tinker]

[I am ST]

Pro: Ron Paul is a principled politician, a true believer in what he says.
Con: Ron Paul is a principled politician, a true believer in what he says.

[Hapax Legomenon]

Thanks to Colonel Sun, Tinker & Demon of Undoing for their welcome on the Music thread (my computer can barely handle that).

I'll be voting for Ron Paul, again, in 2012. As I journey through the internet, I've noticed that he pisses off (US) conservatives more than liberals. Well, fuck em. The foreign policy conservative platform of the last ten years plus has changed--now it is adopted by Daily Kos and DU, as Obama has mirrored their policies, while talk radio has nothing, trying to push peacenick shit or partisanship in the face of catastrophe. The hypocrisy is beyond ridiculous on both sides. Enough. If he's off the PA ballot in November of 2012, again, then there will be no concession vote from me, like in 2008, when it was McCain or bust. WE BUST NOW, and McCain sucked anyway.

I'll be betting Obama (-200+) and voting Paul.

Ron Paul has NO chance.

[Mr. Perfect]

[Mr. Perfect]

[Tinker]

[Hapax Legomenon]

[Mr. Perfect]

[Mr. Perfect]

[Tinker]

Mr. Perfect, I could respond, but its like arguing with a stump. You don't listen, just congratulate yourself on your clever rhetoric.

Of all the things I buy I am relatively certain, marijuana is among the least blood soaked. Growers in Humboldt and BC ain't slaughtering people to get their product to me. I know a great deal more about that supply chain than I do about the sugar in my Pepsi. I have actually met some of the growers in my time. They were hippies, not gangsters. But keep on believin.

Also, my views have not changed really. You just think they have because it suits your narrative better. I never said we should do nothing to combat terrorists. I said we shouldn't invade and occupy other nations for extended periods of time.

You would know if you spent more time listening and less time laying clever traps.

Besides, it was you and other Republicans at the Spengler forum that taught me that in politics crus of hypocrisy are mostly meaningless.

[Mr. Perfect]

[AzariLoveIran]

[Ammianus]

[Tinker]

[skyhook77sfg]

when you say...


Hypocrisy is pretty much the natural state of politics.


that accurate observation also applies to current mass culture
as manufactured in New York and Hollywood for global consuption.

N'est ce pas?

[monster_gardener]

[skyhook77sfg]

MONSTER

You articulated my reaction to the US made Mao kill millions ...

only you were polite.

well done.

[Captain Murphy]

I think more people have died of starvation in India than died of starvation as the result of Mao's famines.

[monster_gardener]

[AzariLoveIran]