Doesn't England have gun control?

[noddy]

in rougher redneck areas if you annoy someone they jump in your face personally and its called violence.

in refined middle class areas they get the police to do it, or they ostracise/exclude you and its called civilised.

the stats look different, but being on the receiving end is largely the same in both cases.

by this i mean - not being able to get a job, not being able to get a house.. being left for dead on the street by the civilised people is only very slightly different to the "we dont like your type" straight up approach.. yet doesnt show in the stats, because its the police that do the nasty bits for you and thats legal.

[Colonel Sun]

[Caskhades]

Hmm, so it looks like the whiteboys in Vermont, New Hampshire and Maine a) have guns, b) Have some of the lowest crime rates in the country c) are not very religious, and d) are not all very rich.

Very interesting. White atheists with guns, eh? What's the world coming to?

[the glowing carp]

[Demon of Undoing]

[Pantagruel]

[Colonel Sun]

Pantagruel, thank you for posting the plots resized.

[Caskhades]

[Sparky]

"fetlife users per 100000 population"?

[Demon of Undoing]

That it is not plain that Borderers and blacks are responsible for the bulk of American violence , and that " religion causes violence" is taken seriously , confounds me. The charts have done nothing but buttress my point. What you are looking at are two people who are more willing to rely on nonstate solutions to resolve conflicts , and people fpr whom the state seems incapable of either helping or ceasing to oppress , respectively .

[Pantagruel]

[Pantagruel]

source:
http://www.freetheworld.com/efna2010/Co ... ion-US.pdf

[Pantagruel]

source:
ftp://ftp.bls.gov/pub/special.requests/oes/oesm09st.zip

[Pantagruel]

source:
http://www.census.gov/compendia/statab/ ... 1s0593.xls

[Colonel Sun]

Are there correlation coefficients, R^2, available for those linear fits?

[Pantagruel]

Pearson correlations:

0.97 aggravated-assault violent-crime
0.83 robbery violent-crime
0.79 90th-percentile-wage median-family-income
0.76 robbery murder
0.75 10th-percentile-wage fetlife-users
0.74 90th-percentile-wage 10th-percentile-wage
0.72 murder violent-crime
0.68 labor-participation-rate iq
0.68 aggravated-assault robbery
0.66 10th-percentile-wage median-family-income
0.63 aggravated-assault murder
0.57 percent-say-religion-is-important murder
0.56 labor-participation-rate median-family-income
0.54 iq median-family-income
0.52 iq percent-white
0.51 10th-percentile-wage iq
0.47 90th-percentile-wage fetlife-users
0.46 economic-freedom median-family-income
0.45 90th-percentile-wage robbery
0.44 percent-say-religion-is-important percent-gun-owners
0.41 percent-white percent-gun-owners
0.40 fetlife-users sex-offenders
0.39 labor-participation-rate economic-freedom
0.38 sex-offenders rape
0.36 labor-participation-rate percent-white
0.36 labor-participation-rate 10th-percentile-wage
0.36 fetlife-users median-family-income
0.35 percent-say-religion-is-important aggravated-assault
0.34 percent-say-religion-is-important violent-crime
0.32 iq fetlife-users
0.31 rape violent-crime
0.31 90th-percentile-wage iq
0.30 aggravated-assault rape
0.24 10th-percentile-wage sex-offenders
0.23 percent-say-religion-is-important robbery
0.23 90th-percentile-wage violent-crime
0.23 90th-percentile-wage economic-freedom
0.22 economic-freedom rape
0.21 economic-freedom iq
0.20 median-family-income robbery
0.20 economic-freedom robbery
0.18 labor-participation-rate fetlife-users
0.17 sex-offenders percent-gun-owners
0.15 percent-white sex-offenders
0.15 percent-say-religion-is-important rape
0.13 rape murder
0.13 economic-freedom violent-crime
0.11 robbery rape
0.11 economic-freedom sex-offenders
0.11 90th-percentile-wage aggravated-assault
0.10 fetlife-users percent-white
0.08 labor-participation-rate sex-offenders
0.07 economic-freedom aggravated-assault
0.06 economic-freedom fetlife-users
0.05 10th-percentile-wage percent-white
0.05 10th-percentile-wage economic-freedom
0.03 sex-offenders median-family-income
0.03 rape percent-gun-owners
0.03 fetlife-users rape
0.03 economic-freedom percent-say-religion-is-important
0.01 iq sex-offenders
0.00 median-family-income rape
0.00 fetlife-users robbery
0.00 economic-freedom murder
0.00 90th-percentile-wage murder
0.00 10th-percentile-wage robbery
-0.04 median-family-income violent-crime
-0.06 percent-white median-family-income
-0.06 murder percent-gun-owners
-0.07 labor-participation-rate rape
-0.07 90th-percentile-wage sex-offenders
-0.07 10th-percentile-wage rape
-0.08 90th-percentile-wage rape
-0.09 sex-offenders aggravated-assault
-0.09 fetlife-users violent-crime
-0.10 labor-participation-rate percent-gun-owners
-0.12 fetlife-users aggravated-assault
-0.13 sex-offenders violent-crime
-0.15 median-family-income aggravated-assault
-0.15 economic-freedom percent-white
-0.16 10th-percentile-wage violent-crime
-0.19 economic-freedom percent-gun-owners
-0.20 median-family-income murder
-0.21 percent-white rape
-0.21 10th-percentile-wage aggravated-assault
-0.22 aggravated-assault percent-gun-owners
-0.23 sex-offenders percent-say-religion-is-important
-0.24 iq rape
-0.24 iq percent-gun-owners
-0.25 sex-offenders robbery
-0.26 sex-offenders murder
-0.27 percent-white percent-say-religion-is-important
-0.29 fetlife-users murder
-0.33 iq robbery
-0.34 violent-crime percent-gun-owners
-0.36 labor-participation-rate robbery
-0.40 90th-percentile-wage percent-white
-0.41 fetlife-users percent-gun-owners
-0.41 10th-percentile-wage murder
-0.44 iq aggravated-assault
-0.45 iq violent-crime
-0.46 labor-participation-rate percent-say-religion-is-important
-0.47 90th-percentile-wage percent-say-religion-is-important
-0.48 labor-participation-rate violent-crime
-0.49 median-family-income percent-say-religion-is-important
-0.49 labor-participation-rate aggravated-assault
-0.54 iq percent-say-religion-is-important
-0.56 robbery percent-gun-owners
-0.57 labor-participation-rate murder
-0.63 iq murder
-0.63 10th-percentile-wage percent-gun-owners
-0.65 percent-white aggravated-assault
-0.67 percent-white murder
-0.68 median-family-income percent-gun-owners
-0.68 fetlife-users percent-say-religion-is-important
-0.75 percent-white violent-crime
-0.79 percent-white robbery
-0.82 10th-percentile-wage percent-say-religion-is-important
-0.84 90th-percentile-wage percent-gun-owners

[Colonel Sun]

Thank you.

[CgDs]

[Sparky]

Meh. For each one of these happy escapes, you get a pointless:
http://m.daytondailynews.com/dayton/db_ ... &pn=0&ps=8

[Colonel Sun]

[Demon of Undoing]

[CgDs]

[Sparky]

[Demon of Undoing]

"There is no justice , either in or out of the courtroom . "

- Oliver Wendel Holmes

No unadulterated good long survives contact with humans. However , I take it as a given that two things are true.

1) Violent antisocial types will always be with us.

2) Violent social types , when sufficiently able , always outnumber the antisocial ones.

In light of the fact that in America , likely in perpetuity , guns will like the poor always be with us , a calculus must be made. I say that the people lost to unlawful gun violence , whose numbers are likely increased more by the drug war than firearms availability , would be significantly higher were the good guys not allowed the means to legally defend themselves. Remember , 12k homicides vs 2 million lawful uses for self defense. What would be the death total were there zero lawful uses ? I dare say the deaths would be much higher.

Just as a feriinstance; imagine how well a narco group would fare in the US , without popular support , after the police were shown to be compromised , and after the narcos start hanging corpses from bridges. The group would last as long as it took the mob , ern posse to form in the town square. A few house burnings , a couple of AR pistol mad minutes as a guy leaves the theater. Not long. Such is an extreme , but it does illustrate the backstop that firearms create in the US. In the right jurisdictions , concerns about poor police service are much less significant , but only because an armed populace is in place. Stuff like that.

This ain't Lichtenstein.

[CgDs]