Diegetics

by **rednblacklumberjack** » Wed May 04, 2011 4:58 am

Love this discussion, especially najar's points above.

Bin Laden Raid May Have Exposed Stealth Helo

That blog post linked to this prior quiet avian machine:

by **Demon of Undoing** » Wed May 04, 2011 4:59 am

Assuming no collusion at all ? It could be done. Police comms jammed , power outage , phones down , EW stuff the Pakistani forces can't even imagine makes for no air response. The entire op went for 40 minutes. Shooting time was about four. DEVGRU rolls suppressed. Shots heard would not have been theirs. They are without a doubt the most Ghost Recon- iest people on the planet in terms of tech integration. I wouldn't say they can do anything , but if you don't think Big Navy , let alone tier one people from Spooks, Inc , haven't thrown a few billion dollars at the idea of creating a small , temporary operational bubble , you would be wrong.

Forty minutes is doable. How many police could American cities of the same size deploy and initiate in that time , even without active interference ? The military presence is not a factor ; at that time at night , at a school ? It would take that long to figure out who to wake up. Much of this was proven operationally at the very founding of this particular unit.

If it were anybody else , I'd say no way. With them , maybe. I just want to ask one thing.

Has anybody seen pics of the destroyed and abandoned chopper ?

by **Demon of Undoing** » Wed May 04, 2011 5:00 am

Damn , came up as I was posting. I was thinking stealth- the NOTAR concept wasn't abandoned entirely , either.

by **noddy** » Wed May 04, 2011 5:11 am

i was under the impression that pakistan was riddled with layers of government that actively fight against each other and dont communicate .. those with a civil agenda and those with a islamist agenda and those with a local agenda.

i didnt find it that surprising that some knew about OBL and others knew about the raid and both can say the opposite with a straight face.

by **the glowing carp** » Wed May 04, 2011 5:27 am

by **rednblacklumberjack** » Wed May 04, 2011 5:35 am

by **AzariLoveIran** » Wed May 04, 2011 5:37 am

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Look folks , OBL was not a shit nobody ..

He was somebody ..

He would not be left in that place with a bunch of chickens runing around and 3 wifes and bunch of children, buying meat from local butcher etc .. If so, then he was a nobody (anymore)

Fact is, he living there for 5+ yrs, ISI (or other branches of Military intelligence) knew he was there

If so, he would have multiple layers of security .. multiple layers

Flying in, fighting for 40 minutes, flying back out of Pakistan all BS

Most logical and plausible explanation, OBL was under ISI, Pakistani, protection .. he was their guest

Question only, did Americans knew, and agreed

Fact is, OBL was useful for American geopolitical Afghanistan and Central Asian wars

Now, America decided, time to pack and leave .. no need of OBL anymore

So, ISI opens the gates, Americans fly in and murder an unarmed man

Was a mistake

OBL should have been brought back to America, interviewed what the fuck he wants

All hear say, we never heard first hand what he wanted .. maybe those tapes where fake

Buried at sea :lol:

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by **Captain Murphy** » Wed May 04, 2011 7:04 am

by **noddy** » Wed May 04, 2011 7:38 am

the indian papers are having a field day with the ISI angles.

http://www.indianexpress.com/news/pakis ... ks/785463/
http://www.hindustantimes.com/Osama-dea ... 92967.aspx
http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/worl ... 141352.cms

by **the glowing carp** » Wed May 04, 2011 7:54 am

by **Mr. Perfect** » Wed May 04, 2011 8:03 am

by **Mr. Perfect** » Wed May 04, 2011 8:14 am

The Ulsterman porn is getting REALLY good.

http://socyberty.com/issues/white-house ... bin-laden/

by **Demon of Undoing** » Wed May 04, 2011 9:32 am

Well, wouldn't that be interesting . The military and intelligence functions deciding policy on their own, aforethought .

Nothing can go wrong with that.

by **Sparky** » Wed May 04, 2011 10:04 am

If it's true, and not merely the result of indigestion caused by partisan sour grapes. Time will tell.

by **Demon of Undoing** » Wed May 04, 2011 10:24 am

by **Mr. Perfect** » Wed May 04, 2011 11:18 am

A list of errors in disclosure thus far. Will be important later, for very mundane reasons.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/05/0 ... 57073.html

by **Simple Minded** » Wed May 04, 2011 11:41 am

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by **rednblacklumberjack** » Wed May 04, 2011 3:29 pm

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by **rednblacklumberjack** » Wed May 04, 2011 7:11 pm

So, do you think Osama had the place wired to explode? Maybe he was dialing a cellphone when he was shot?

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