UN/US will go ahead and kill some brown people

[Mr. Perfect]

[Mr. Perfect]

[skyhook77sfg]

who said any thing about better judgement?

i just cautioned you against the bad judgement of comparing a decorated member of the US military with the chickenshit neocons that ginned up phoney wars .

i will stipulate everyone has the right to make judgements but that is not only a bad one but an insult and youre to smart to not know it .




As to all the shit that you point out could happen,

may I point out this isnt a perfect world with only perfect outcomes mr perfect.

we just gotta try to do what is right...

even when gadflies buzz and bite.

gadflies only annoy.

[Mr. Perfect]

Frankly some of the rationales floating are right out of the Wolfowitz handbook, I don't think it is out of line saying so.

It is certainly not a perfect world, and doing the right thing passed us by some weeks ago, before thousands of innocent Libyans died, while the POTUS played golf, held some parties, planned some vacations, etc. We are now in a moment where our downsides could be higher than our upsides, with real negative results. The risk is high, and I'm watching people with a beer buzz walking dead into a buzzsaw.

BTW, sometimes the gadflies WIN. Many of your best friends right now will throw you to the wolves in 6 weeks if this doesn't go well, and they'll get away with it and all you'll have is your sacred honor and a t-shirt while Wolfowitz will be the only one left who will associate with you.

[skyhook77sfg]

wolfowitz knows better than to come within eyeball distance yours truly.

say,when will you begin organizing a drive to remove lady liberty from NY harbor?

must be an awful irritant reminding you of french meddling in the american rebellion.

didnt think there were any 100% pacifists like you left.

quaker maybe?

cathar?

essene?

[Mr. Perfect]

We didn't demand no meddling. With a unified voice, for decades, the Arabs have demanded it. We helped AFG drive out the Soviets, at no small risk, 15 years later they hosted the largest terrorist attack on us in history.

Apples and oranges.

Also, you are presuming success and not taking into account possible failure or risks.

[skyhook77sfg]

THE GOAL WAS NOT TO DRIVE OUT SOVIETS

U.S. GOAL WAS TO GIVE USSR ITS OWN VIETNAM

AT LEAST THATS WHAT ZbIG TOLD JIMMY

real goal of polish dp posing as pseudoaristocrat was

to get even with russians for katyn massacre.

[Mr. Perfect]

Either way their thank you letter was an attempt on 50,000 Americans some 15 years later.

[CgDs]

[noddy]

from the other side of the world, i though the queerdafty had already slaughtered most of the rabble rousing people and this is all too little too late

[Mr. Perfect]

Stupidity on top of stupidity.

Like a guy who nearly lost his life and a member of his family IIRC to a surprise attack wouldn't know how to handle an airstrike.

[Mr. Perfect]

[skyhook77sfg]

like a guy who goes on the radio and gives a shrill goetterdaemerung gonna kill y'all speech to the world isnt stupid...

like totally dude.

totally.

[Mr. Perfect]

Do you buy all your battle plans sight unseen or what?

[CgDs]

[skyhook77sfg]

corrrection. no bingo in the back row.

next letter is B2...

followed by C4

do you copy cinnci?

[noddy]

[skyhook77sfg]

that is affirmative re your take my take diggger

[noddy]

tah, back to the witty abuse, and heres hoping cynicism isnt warranted.

[cincinnatus]

We (Skyhook, Me) may be wrong on extent of U.S. involvement (unless just tankers, and electronic attack assets stage there, versus the 31 FW from Aviano).

As for the question of how airpower without ground forces can drive the Q out of power, it depends. How will loosing his offensive power in less than two air task order cycles play out with his power base? They don't have to plink every tank, every APC, every artillery piece, every radar...just enough to change the balance, allow the rebs time to fortify, and see if the "loyalists" are really loyal. Might be some Dick Cheney-esque thinking here ("they'll greet us with roses as liberators").

But, if the French and Brits have the will to enforce a long-term No-Fly Zone, with limited U.S. Canadian and Italian assistance, then the Q could be stuck with a rump state, even if the loyalists remain loyal. It's not Chickenhawk to say that a country whose air force and air defenses have been neutered is helpless against unimpeded airpower. Now, if he goes pure Fedayeen, versus trying to maintain a leader of a nation, with an actual military force, then it puts a crimp in the airpower effectiveness.

Not a perfect scenario. Certainly a shit-load of hypocrisy (and if Saddam had been in a brutal civil war in 2003, and massacring civilians like he did in '91, then the critique would be at the 100% level of apples-to-apples...but he wasn't, so it's not). And yes, at the end of the day, it seems like this is all at least 2-weeks too late to matter. And we may well wake up tomorrow and find it was all just a puff of hot air.

[skyhook77sfg]

old timers will recall that lovely phrase

FEATHERMERCHANT

[Mr. Perfect]

The chickenhawk thing is aimed squarely at the ones bleating it in the previous admin, who are now quiet as a mouse peeing on cotton as the epicures order the death of others, at the hand of others. Silence from the usual suspects.

Q doesn't already have a rump state?

[skyhook77sfg]

never saw a mouse peeing on cotton...

is that some sort of inner city free methadone clinic metaphor?

[cincinnatus]

[Mr. Perfect]

No it's just a metaphor for extreme silence.

If GWB was in President in these times the left would be in the streets demanding his impeachment and making movies about his assassination (again). Instead, the silence of mouse urine falling on cotton.