Islamophobia Thread!

[Milo]

When Germany invaded Russia in 1941, it quickly found that the Soviet citizens most hostile to the Communist regime were the Turkic nationalities persecuted by Stalin. They were Muslims. "I consider only the Mohammedans to be safe," said Hitler. He set up an Ostministerium (literally, East Ministry) for the occupied Eastern territories. Gerhard von Mende, a Nazi who was also an expert on Turkic studies, was in charge of the ministry's Caucasus division. He recruited Muslim leaders to help resist the Soviets.

After the German defeat in 1945, the Cold War required that Muslims be enlisted against Communism again. Von Mende was eventually hired by the West German secret service to apply his skills to the new circumstances.

Both von Mende and Dreher wanted a mosque built in Munich to give more power to Muslim exiles. The meeting which gave birth to the mosque took place in a Munich church on Boxing Day, 1958. In the complicated political, ethnic, religious and personal battles that ensued, von Mende's approach, based more on stirring up nationalities and less on backing universalist Islamism, lost out to Dreher's radicalism. After many struggles, Ramadan got control of the mosque in Munich. From then on, Islamism had a European base. His right-hand man, Ghaleb Himmat, ran the mosque for 30 years until he was forced to resign after being accused – though the accusation was never proved – of helping fund the leadership of al-Qaeda.

How much Ramadan was "turned" by the Americans and how much he fooled them is not at all clear. But what is clear is that the mosque became an Islamist bridgehead. It was actually easier for Islamists to operate from Europe than from their own countries. When Egypt got too hot for the Brotherhood after the assassination of the peacemaking President Anwar Sadat in 1981, Mahdi Akef, the Brotherhood's "Supreme Guide", took refuge in Munich, becoming the head imam of the mosque from 1984-87.

Gradually, the Brotherhood's friends built up a network of institutions. Today, their European centre is at Markfield Conference Centre, near Leicester. The most famous intellectual inspiration for the Brotherhood's followers is Youssef Qaradawi, much praised by Ken Livingstone. He has ruled in favour of killing Israeli children and extreme punishments for homosexuals.

ou will often hear that the Muslim Brotherhood is a reasonable organisation. While all those demonstrations were taking place in Tahrir Square, Jeremy Bowen was on the BBC saying the Brotherhood was "a fairly moderate force here". It is true that, in Egypt, it is not currently advocating violence (though its more militant wing took control of the Brotherhood in Egypt last year, and is now controlled by a man suitably called Badie).

But this misses the point about its ideology, which is absolute. The doctrine is that "Islam is the solution", in a political sense. Muslim societies must be governed by sharia. No countries otherwise governed are legitimate. Many Brothers also believe that any Muslim not accepting this approach is an apostate and may therefore be killed.

This Islamist school of thought often has articulate, educated spokesmen who can talk in a European idiom. Western bureaucracies like dealing with such people, because they believe that they can cut deals with them. In terms of intelligence, it is, of course, sensible to have contacts with extremists, to keep an eye on what is going on. But that should not justify a social or political policy of legitimising any extremist who avoids advocating actual violence on our doorstep. This book shows how, for 50 years, the West has been empowering those who are adamantly opposed to our entire way of life. Bad ideas lead to bad actions, but few of our leaders point this out. One who does is David Cameron. He said as much, very strongly, a fortnight ago. The place he chose to make that speech was Munich.

http://goo.gl/kjvnn

[skyhook77sfg]

THE MUSLIM QARADAWI ADVOCATING KILLING ISREALI CHILDREN ONLY GETS SILVER MEDAL...

GOLD GOES TO RABBI DOV LIOR WHO SAYS KILL BABIES WHO COULD GROW INTO ENEMIES.

all rise please for the playing of rabbi lior's national anthem.

[Rhapsody]

Skyhook, this thread is about the perceived ills of Islam. What is it with this compulsive need of yours to always interject some Jewish ills? Btw there is another thread for your Judeophobia.

[Ibrahim]

[Ibrahim]

[Rhapsody]

[skyhook77sfg]

by Rhapsody » Mon Feb 21, 2011 9:54 am

Skyhook, this thread is about the perceived ills of Islam. What is it with this compulsive need of yours to always interject some Jewish ills? Btw there is another thread for your Judeophobia.
Relax... it's just a funny forum







well now rhapsody dear little fellow...



how can i possiblly convey my relief to learn from you this thread is all about humor...


i will go back and look for it....

perhaps you could direct me to some good examples that made you laUGH.




And as to judephobia, ill try to make this real simple for you since you obviously are not equipped to detect patterns...

Milo is an annoying stereteoypist who attempts with every post to denigrate millions of human beings...

i warned some time back he should be decrying fundamentilism which seems to be flourishing in in all the montheisms reaction to modernity.... told him if he kept it up there would be a counterbalancing post to his repeated attacks on millions of human beings...

further, pastrami on rye with half sour pickles preceeded by chicken soup with matzoh balls is my favorite meal with some of my favorite people whose yiddish language I seem to be better at then they.

but then they are not fundamentalist nutters...

so if you want to correct your slur to nutterphobia that would be good.

if not, sorry to have hit such an exposed nerve

and do have a good life and do piss off.

[Rhapsody]

[Milo]

[skyhook77sfg]

maybe you ought to remove the words this is a funny forum from what you post....


words do have meaning for most of us....



when you say

That what Milo says might offend millions of Muslims (if they have the time and interest to do so) does itself not prove Milo is "an annoying stereotypist" nor that he attempts, intentionally, "to denigrate millions". Give him a break. He doesn't like Islam in general. I'm sure his is not seeing in every Muslim a potential suicide bomber and that a lot of his bad taste for Islam is just that: he doesn't like the taste of it."


you apparently extend the courtesy of that generosity only to distaste of one branch of monotheism and decry posts that point out the distasteful in its parallel irrationalists who exhibiot many of the same odd chracteristics. this is where bigotry begins.....

and then the brazen selfcontradictory statement after half a page of defending poor Milo...

"I'm pretty sure Milo doesn't like fundamentalist nutters of whatever religion either. But I'd better let Milo speak for himself.'


WOW after all that speaking for him in his defense....

blatant selfserving incoherent nonesense posing as thoughtful reponse...

probably poor schooling has something to do with it.

not quite up to jesus college standards old boy.

muddle on.

thats a good lad.

[Hans Bulvai]

[skyhook77sfg]

he knows Im not muslim.

he thinks that saying I am is a subcutaneous irritant.

this is just one of his harmless delusions,

he has some though that are not.

I alternate between thinking poor chap...

and what a mean lttle man....

[Milo]

[skyhook77sfg]

look who has been destroyed by his own vile thoughts and words...

flapping helplessly from his own petard...

naked for all to see.

[Hans Bulvai]

[Milo]

[Hans Bulvai]

[skyhook77sfg]

COLONEL SUN

YOUR DIAGNOSIS CONFORMED

PSYCHOTIC BREAK UNDERWAY

mumbling about snuff films, masturbation, mothers basement...

.5 mg Xanax 3xday?

[Ibrahim]

[Hans Bulvai]

Let me put it this way.

Anyone is welcome into my home for good food, conversations and a good laugh; including critics. So long as they are invited in.

Trespassing will yield a very angry tattooed metal freak ayrab traveling at 8 meters/second with two swords, a ski mask and only his underwear but the whole scene will be blinding due to the multiple strobes and wailing sirens that are going off.

Graceful was not a survival asset growing up. That came through discipline as only discipline can force a deaf ear and thick skin.

But I really thank you for your kind words. It is humbling.

[Caskhades]

[Rhapsody]

[skyhook77sfg]

Indo-Canadian doctor held on drugging, rape charges


Times of India Feb 21, 2011, 10.53am IST



TORONTO: An Indo-Canadian doctor and his colleague have been arrested here for allegedly drugging and raping a young woman in a downtown hotel.

Amitabh Chauhan and Suganthan Kayilasanathan, both 32, who were arrested at the weekend, appeared in a city court Saturday to face charges of drugging and sexual assault. Their bail hearing was adjourned till Wednesday.

According to police, Chauhan and Kayilasanathan met the 23-year-old victim in a hotel bar. As the two men chatted with her while drinking, they offered to help her with some career advice.

Police said the two man and the victim then went to another city bar where they allegedly managed to mix a noxious substance in her drink. After drugging the woman, Chauhan and his friend doctor took her to a hotel where they sexually assaulted her.

Chauhan graduated from the famous McMaster University at Hamilton near Toronto. The College of Physicians and Surgeons of Ontario currently lists him as a postgraduate student at the department of plastic surgery in the same university.

Kayilasanathan, the other accused, is a family physician in the Toronto suburb of Markham.

Police have warned that the two accused doctors may have used drugs on other women. "There may be other victims and we would like them to come forward,'' said the sex crimes unit of Toronto Police.

The accused will stay behind till their bail hearing.

Chauhan's lawyer, Sean Robichaud, said Sunday, "All I can say is that Dr. Chauhan looks forward to contesting these allegations in court when the time comes.''




somehow seemed relevant to all of the above

[Ibrahim]

[Najar]

The docs names doesnt sound like muslim names..

Unless SKy wants 'Islamophobia' gets interpretted as 'Brown mn phobia' , it doesnt seem relevent here.