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Jordan blames Israel’s obstinacy for escalating Arab anger



http://arabnews.com/middleeast/article258366.ece


AMMAN: US Assistant Secretary of State William Burns held talks on Saturday with Jordanian leaders, who warned that Israel’s obstinacy in Middle East peace talks would only aggravate the "anger" of the region’s peoples.

Burns met with King Abdallah, Prime Minister Marouf Bakhit and Foreign Minister Nasser Judeh to discuss ways to surmount the deadlock in the Middle East peace process and latest developments in the region, a reference to the Egyptian uprising that toppled pro-West President Hosni Mubarak.

"Israel should give up the fortress mentality and stop all unilateral actions particularly the building of settlements," Bakhit told Burns, according to a statement from the prime minister’s office.

"Israel should look forward to the future and realize that justice and dignity of peoples are an indispensable issue and that the continued deadlock in the peace process will only enhance the anger of peoples in the region as a result of their feeling of an imbalance in the criteria of justice," said Bakhit, a former ambassador in Israel.

Bakhit formed his cabinet earlier this week after King Abdallah sacked the government of Prime Minister Samir Rifai under the pressure of a series of protests that swept the country over the past weeks and found inspiration from the uprisings in Tunisia and Egypt.

He told the American envoy that his government ”realized the regional changes and was taking measures to speed up the political and economic reforms” and take serious steps to fight corruption.

King Abdallah also held a separate meeting on Saturday with the Russian Middle East envoy Alexander Sultanov.



WHEN OUR MAN IN AMMAn TURNS TO RUSSIA THE ME IS NOT ONLY CHANGING....

IT HAS ALREADY CHANGED

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common reponse to foreign born invaders burning down houses, bulldozing villages, poisoning wells and killing locals...

moshe dayan's diary will give you more specifics if youre into the gory stuff.

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ISRAEL WARNS IRANIAN WARSHIPS ARE A PROVOCATION


gee whiz what happened to the freedom of the seas part of international law they cited in justification of the war they started pearl harbor style in 1967?

oh that's right...

figleafs are perishable.

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Israeli commentators go berserk at Thomas Friedman’s op-ed

In his latest column, New York Times journalist Thomas Friedman attacks Jerusalem’s response to the Egyptian revolution. Friedman’s bluntly expressed opinions were the catalyst for a torrent of angry comments. “Court Jew” was just one of the expressions used

For about a year now, Thomas Friedman has been driving Israelis crazy. EverY time he mentions Israel in his columns he is widely quoted, debated and analyzed. Friedman is becoming a household name – at least for those who follow the news.
Things spun out of control following Friedman’s latest column. I cannot remember such a direct assault by the Israeli media on an American journalist.

This is the paragraph that started it all:
Rather than even listening to what the democracy youth in Tahrir Square were saying and then trying to digest what it meant, this Israeli government took two approaches during the last three weeks: Frantically calling the White House and telling the president he must not abandon Pharaoh – to the point where the White House was thoroughly disgusted with its Israeli interlocutors – and using the opportunity to score propaganda points: “Look at us! Look at us! We told you so! We are the only stable country in the region, because we are the only democracy.’’

The Jerusalem Post’s Shmuel Rosner was one of the few journalists who tried to analyze what Friedman had written. On the morning Friedman published his article, Rosner claimed in a column for Maariv that administration officials had praised Israel for its response to the events in Egypt. He admits to being surprised by what Friedman wrote, and tried to explain the contradicting reports:

Simple explanation: It all depends on whom you’re talking to. More complex one: It all depends on the things you choose to highlight in the article, and those you feel are off subject. I didn’t hear that anyone was “disgusted” with Israeli interlocutors. Maybe I’ve been talking to the wrong people – maybe those “disgusted” with Israel feel more comfortable talking to Friedman (he also has more readers, and is more handsome).

Others were less inclined to compliment the New York Times columnist. “Since the beginning of the Obama Administration in late 2008, Friedman has sallied forth with a series of articles that have not only been harshly critical of Israel, but also decidedly haughty and hostile,” wrote one of my old professors at Tel Aviv University, Martin Sherman. “Friedman adopted the most malevolent and mendacious aspects of anti-Israeli slander,” he added, referring to another column in which Friedman attacked Jerusalem.

“Friedman has a mental problem – Netanyahu obsession” wrote Arkiel Segal in Maariv [Hebrew]. Segal also called Freidman “Obama’s pet Jew.”

“His approach is similar to that of Chamberlain before the Second World War,” observed Yair Freeman on Ynet [Hebrew].
There were other writers, some less blunt, others more. But no one went as far as Knesset Member Yaakov Katz (National Union) in an op-ed he sent by mail to the entire foreign press corps (titled “Thomas Friedman, Court Jew”), Katz wrote:
It doesn’t take much intellectual prowess or professional psychological training to realize that Mr. Friedman is actually attacking and denying his very own Judaism. Playing the role of the negative exemplars of the stereotypical Diaspora court Jew, he is filled with self-loathing, ashamed of his origins – and aims to ensure that this is common knowledge.

Friedman attempts to call on the world to force the Jewish people and its state to return to the atmosphere of the days of submission and oppression in the ghetto. After all, he makes his home in the ghetto of a foreign land, lives as a Diaspora Jew, and perhaps would like to get us to join him.

I must admit: I can’t wait for Friedman’s next column on Israel.



FRIEDMAN DONT LIVE IN NO GHETTO NUMBNUTS...

AND IT AINT NO FOREIGN LAND TO HIM

HE BE AMERICAN

WHATS FOREIGN IS NUTTERS LIKE YOU...




http://972mag.com/crazy-responses-in-is ... ans-op-ed/

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Speculation was that Obama was going to not veto the biannual referendum attempting to condemn West Bank settlements. Apparently not.

I guess the Muslim world got it's show of hands as to who was on what side.

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maybe presidential priority one is relection ....


everybody knows that is not possible for a politician who wanders off the res.....

ergo US interests take a back seat to others.

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We seem to experience what looks like an Arab Spring of Nations, beginning with Tunisia – yet the Israeli public, as well as its leadership, are discontent. An uprising against vampires like Ben Ali and Mubarak, who held their offices for decades, not only fails to excite them, it practically frightens them. The Israelis have placed themselves, automatically, on the side of the Arab tyrants.

After all, Israel is pretty comfy with them; they don’t surprise you. An anonymous Israeli minister – I guess it’s Boogie Ya’alon, a former army chief of staff and current Likud politician, since he has the requisite indoctrination - told Time yesterday that, as a principle, Israel prefers democracies “because democracies do not initiate wars” (he probably forgot about Iraq). But, on the other hand, “I’m not sure the time is right for the Arab region to go through the democratic process”.

Of course not. The timing is never right. After all, Israel only wants the Arabs to be democratic so it can avoid making peace with them. The demand that the Arab countries become democracies before there will be any peace initiatives – since there is no point in making peace with unpopular tyrants – was the core of Nathan Sharansky’s book, the one George W. Bush loved so much. Now, when the revolutions are here, Israel shows its true colors: it’s on the tyrants’ side.

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you are more than kind.

you are also right.

would add to your list the "democratic" US/UK second... invasion of Iraq to preempt the possibility of a possibility.

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The following map represents the 1947 United Nations Partition Plan that created two countries, one for the Jews and one for the Arabs. The Yellow region was allocated for the Arabs, and the Green region was allocated for the Jews. It is important to note that in 1947 the region was a lot less populated, and at that time this United Nations partition plan gave more than enough land to both Arabs and Jews. Note that in this 1947 map, with the exception of the Northern part of the Green regions, most of the land in the Green part of the map was inferior to the Yellow regions, the main exception being the portion of the Yellow region that is in the South of Gaza near the Egyptian border. In this map you see that most of the Green region allocated for the Jews was South of Beersheba, and most of the land South of Beersheba was (and still is) desert. The Arabs got much better land in 1947. Had the Arab world recognized this map in 1947, then the following wars would not happened and the Arabs would not have lost significantly more lands in the North and South (West Bank and Gaza were never annexed by Israel). At that time in 1947, at least the advancing Arab armies (Libya, Iraq, Syria, Egypt, Jordan) should not have bragged that they were going to throw all the Jews living in the Green region of the map, into the sea. It is true that when you try to take more than what you deserve you can lose even what you already have, but this rule applies not only to the Jews, but also to the rest of the people in this world. In any case, the reason the 1947 United Nations partitioning plan created such a complicated configuration that looks like Swiss cheese was because intentionally the U.N. tried to give the Jews and Arabs regions that were not heavily populated by the other rival parties, and at that time, demographically, this configuration was enough to make it possible for both the Arabs and Jews in that regions to survive without too much injustice.



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But right now, here is the current map of Israel (below) after all these wars. Note that Israel did not annex West Bank or Gaza despite the wars of annihilation where the neighboring countries unequivocally said in no uncertain terms that they were coming to annihilate all the Jews inside the Green region (in the above map of the 1947 UN Partitioning Plan). The leftist Israelis who are the majority would certainly remove most of the Jewish settlements in the West Bank (even the right wing Ariel Sharon evacuated the Jewish settlements from Gaza by using force on his own Jewish citizens in Gaza when necessary.) But as I said before, if the consensus of Palestinians is to destroy Israel even after Israel pulls back to the 1967 borders, then it is hard to expect the Israelis to surrender so easily.It is important to emphasize that although the initial Jewish population of Israel was mostly of Ashkenazic ancestry, currently the majority of the 5 million Jewish Israelis, are children of Mizrahi Jews from Arab countries and also from Iran. For the more than 2.5 million Mizrahi Jews in Israel, death is preferable to going back to Egypt, Yemen, Iraq, etc, where their parents were second class citizens.

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