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Rise of the Lucullians

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Re: Rise of the Lucullians

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Re: Rise of the Lucullians

Postby thecontributer » Fri Jan 07, 2011 8:44 am

Oh irony of ironies....

An elite, bewailing against her own fellow travelers....

Eventually, Oligarch vs Oligarch!
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Re: Rise of the Lucullians

Postby AzariLoveIran » Fri Jan 07, 2011 8:46 am

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Thanks .. Interesting article ..

Yes, things moving to that direction .. no national elite anymore .. no national markets anymore .. global elite and global market .. acting not in national or regional interest anymore .. already happening .. things will look and happen differently, things must be viewed with global views .. no such thing as isolationism anymore .. either you part of it or you fucked .. oligarch is the wrong word .. there will be grouping of elites .. that's how west functioned post war .. now other groups of elite entering the scene .. probably 3 or 4 elite groups try to live together or fight it out ..


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Re: Rise of the Lucullians

Postby Endovelico » Fri Jan 07, 2011 12:46 pm

I'm not a bad shot. Just give me a AK47...
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Re: Rise of the Lucullians

Postby Captain Murphy » Fri Jan 07, 2011 6:54 pm

If you can't beat 'em, join 'em, Endo. The problem is that it's becoming more and more difficult to penetrate these circles and the article illustrates why.

As for me personally, I made the very stupid decision of entering a PhD program in engineering. Although I will be completely debt free when I leave, it's clear that lacking the elite pedigree, and having fallen into a project with little academic merit, the degree will be worthless. Engineering jobs are increasingly mundane dead ends, as far as I'm concerned. I've sunk 4.5 years into this (including an MS along the way) and am looking for a way to get out and switch career tracks.

Oddly, it seems that finance and management will remain the place for talented people here.
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Re: Rise of the Lucullians

Postby Tinker » Fri Jan 07, 2011 7:04 pm

The canary didn't die because this mine is dangerous, it died because it's lazy and wasn't raised with a proper work ethic.
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Re: Rise of the Lucullians

Postby jerryberry » Fri Jan 07, 2011 7:05 pm

Sorry to hear about that Captain Murphy.
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Re: Rise of the Lucullians

Postby Colonel Sun » Fri Jan 07, 2011 7:46 pm

Never criticize anyone until you've walked several kilometres in their shoes.
Because

1. You're now several kilometres away; and

2. You've got their shoes.
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Re: Rise of the Lucullians

Postby monster_gardener » Sat Jan 08, 2011 3:02 pm

For the love of G_d, may I consider I may be mistaken
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Re: Rise of the Lucullians

Postby Alph » Sun Jan 09, 2011 8:07 pm

Captain Murphy,

I agree with Colonel Sun.

But Finance is undergoing a productivity revolution. Data availability, computerization, and increased communication are and will continue to reduce the number of people needed in the industry through allowing fewer and fewer to manage larger and larger amounts of capital because it decreases the diminishing returns of increasing portfolio size.

Besides, do you really want to spend a year or two as an ibanker?

If you want a stable career with good earnings potential, work for the government.
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Re: Rise of the Lucullians

Postby Tinker » Sun Jan 09, 2011 8:54 pm

Or, if you want to be even MORE realistic than competing for highly competitive Government jobs that require you to do several years of working for free in order to get into a low paying job with few prospects for increasing one's salary very significantly, you can simply accept that the job market is highly competitive regardless of industry.
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Re: Rise of the Lucullians

Postby Milo » Sun Jan 09, 2011 9:28 pm

The thing is that no matter how you wrap it up, charity from the rich is still exactly that. We did not get a middle class etc. because the rich donated us into it, we got it because economics started it and political action created a bunch of public spheres that supported it and enlarged it.

We cannot bet our future on the hope that some gazillionaire's whimsy will benefit us.
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Re: Rise of the Lucullians

Postby Alph » Sun Jan 09, 2011 11:57 pm

Trends that can't continue, won't. But until then, they will.
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Re: Rise of the Lucullians

Postby monster_gardener » Mon Jan 10, 2011 12:05 am

Duplicate post.
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Postby monster_gardener » Mon Jan 10, 2011 12:12 am

For the love of G_d, may I consider I may be mistaken
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Re: Rise of the Lucullians

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Re: Rise of the Lucullians

Postby Mr. Perfect » Mon Jan 10, 2011 5:42 am

Re the original article;

1) I guess you see what happens when you put Democrats in charge of everything.

2) I don't think the last author has done the math, if you liquidate the holdings of the "super rich" and divvy it up with everybody, you get diddly/squat. A deeply anti-intellectual set of articles.
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Re: Rise of the Lucullians

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Re: Rise of the Lucullians

Postby Demon of Undoing » Mon Jan 10, 2011 5:47 am

Don't know what it is, but I'm agin'it.
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Re: Rise of the Lucullians

Postby Mr. Perfect » Mon Jan 10, 2011 5:53 am

Oh my. I think you're right. Wasn't that a line from the 1980's? Whew, the old noggin is a foggin.
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Postby Demon of Undoing » Mon Jan 10, 2011 6:04 am

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Re: Rise of the Lucullians

Postby Mr. Perfect » Mon Jan 10, 2011 6:12 am

Oh my. I've been using it for years, to the point where I had indeed forgotten where it came from, and your description indeed triggered the memory of even the grape. Sublime.
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Re: Rise of the Lucullians

Postby Captain Murphy » Mon Jan 10, 2011 7:17 pm

Do you want the moustache on or off?
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