Gulf Oil Leak

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Yea, it's stupid that we can't accept foreign aid.

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This BP calamity look more and more like a conspiracy . . is said US navy could cap the well long ago, with conventional detonation (nuclear too) . . but seems, plan is to let
BP go broke . . have not figured out yet why . . but have some suspicion . .

Brits and Americans have competing interest in " great game " played in ME & Russian energy theater . . . .

Oil business is a DIRTY business . . like . .

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America needs to go electric as soon as possible. But then China will have a lot of power because the rare Earths are most common there.

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Think harder.

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Right. The United States is spread out and people commute very far, and our infrastructure for public transit isn't very good. Also, it's hard to implement public transit because our towns aren't laid out around the idea of public transit. I live in the only part of the US where we walk a lot and have good public transit, and as a result the populace is a lot less obese than the rest of the nation.

Azari is right about the 'bigger is better' culture that is a blight upon American culture. But we simply could not adapt to $ 7 per gallon gas in the short term. At the same time gas in America is cheaper because we provide a lot of our own fuel. We get almost none of our fuel from the Middle-East. We're one of the largest producers of oil in the world. What Azari also doesn't understand is that domestic consumption is the engine of the American economy, so he thinks we should retool our entire economy to look outward, I think this is a bias that comes from living in a third world country that is on the rise. Shades of Cassowary, but as I see it America is already where Iran or Singapore have been developing toward. Our problems are the problems of being already developed and on the decline, as opposed to having reached the valley of decline and on our way back up. In short Iran has nothing to teach us as Iran has never been a fully-developed technical economy in all of its history. America could increase Iran's prosperity overnight if the right treaties were signed. All we'd have to do is send Halliburton over to build a couple of refineries and Iran would suddenly be a net exporter of refined oil, and would have reduced the cost of importing refined oil. It's oil reserves would suddenly be worth a whole lot more than they are today.

The suggestions are coming off as a millionaire who is suddenly seeing good growth giving the billionaire whose assets have declined for the past two years business advice.

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There is no benefit to America to destroy it's domestic economy in favor of exportation. That's a third world economy mentality. That's for countries who have people starving and export their crops because it's more profitable than selling them locally.

I'm sorry, but it's just not a reasonable thing to say. You're ignoring so many of the economic factors that don't fit your idealization. American oil is cheaper in America than Germany because it's easier for us to get here, just as it's cheaper in Saudi Arabia than it is in America.

Don't get me wrong, I want to see us get off oil as fast as we can. I just don't think your suggestions are reasonable.

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No, you're wrong. A higher oil pricepoint would change the way America interacts with the oil economy and would make a whole lot of technologies that are too expensive compared to oil much more attractive.

What you don't seem to understand is that America can close its borders completely and be a self-contained economy. All of those foreign exports that we've consumed and thrown away exist in American landfills. America is the most resource rich nation on the planet.

The suburb as it exists today can very easily be done away with in favor of a more town-center model of organization, and more people would take public transit.

Peak oil wars, would be the thing we should most concern ourselves with. But most of our oil is purchased in the Western Hemisphere. Almost all of it in fact. The bulk of our foreign oil comes from Canada, Mexico and Venezuela.

If oil spiked to $ 150 per barrel, then of course there would be nasty fall out but not because of the price point, but because of the volatility. If it slowly moved that way we'd just engage in a huge economy altering infrastructure realignment. America has realigned infrastructure every 25 years for our entire history. It's time to do it again.

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I don't think you really understand just how drastically the nature of the manufacturing economy in the world is going to change in the next ten years.

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