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Junk Science and Quack Medicine

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Re: Quack, quack . . ad nauseum . .

Postby Rhapsody » Tue Feb 08, 2011 10:22 pm

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Re: Quack, quack . . ad nauseum . .

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Re: Junk Science and Quack Medicine

Postby YMix » Tue Feb 08, 2011 10:35 pm

Humanity ought to be the first order of interest for humans.
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Re: Junk Science and Quack Medicine

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Re: Junk Science and Quack Medicine

Postby Colonel Sun » Sat Feb 26, 2011 8:11 pm

Never criticize anyone until you've walked several kilometres in their shoes.
Because

1. You're now several kilometres away; and

2. You've got their shoes.
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More often than not?

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Re: Cell phones and vaccines

Postby Colonel Sun » Sat Jun 04, 2011 6:24 pm

WHAT’S NEW Robert L. Park Friday, 3 Jun 2011 Washington, DC

1. WHO’S ON FIRST? WITH APOLOGIES TO BUD ABBOT AND LOU COSTELLO.
My science-reporter friend, Naif, called this week about cell phones.
Here's how it went. Naif: "Who said there’s no evidence that radiation
from cell phones causes brain cancer?" BP: "WHO did, but that was about a
year ago." Naif: "That's what I asked, who did? The International Agency
for Research on Cancer (IARC) says cell phone radiation ‘may be
carcinogenic’." BP: "IARC is WHO." Naif: "Why ask me? I don't know who.
Besides, shouldn't that be ‘whom’?" BP: Last year they said that no adverse
health effects have been established for mobile phone use." Naif: "That's
still true, but who said it?" BP: "I told you; WHO said it after a $14
million epidemiological study of cell phone use in 13 countries."
Naif: "Then who is IARC?” BP: "Strictly speaking IARC is part of WHO."
Naif: "I don't know who it’s part of. That‘s why I asked."

2. CELL PHONES: THE CREDIBILITY OF SCIENCE IS BASED ON OPENNESS.
Let's be open with the public. A Working Group of 31 scientists from 14
countries met at the International Agency for Research on Cancer (IARC) in
Lyon, France from May 24–31 to assess the potential carcinogenic hazards
from exposure to radiofrequency electromagnetic fields. The Working Group
conducted no further study, and gathered no additional evidence.
Nevertheless, based on an increased risk for glioma, a usually fatal brain
cancer, they voted to classify radiofrequency electromagnetic fields
as, "possibly carcinogenic to humans." Let's do a little epidemiology of
our own. There are 5 billion cell phones distributed among the 7 billion
people on Earth. But, as the New York Times reported this morning, brain
cancer rates in the US have been declining for two decades. Does this tell
us that cell phones prevent brain cancer? Alas, no. The increase in cell
phone use only started one decade ago. It tells us is that epidemiology
alone is a lousy guide for making policy. There is far too much "noise" in
the data. So far, only photons more energetic than visible light have been
shown to create mutant strands of DNA. "Maybe it's a multi-photon
process," I'm told. A two-photon process is possible, even a three-photon
process, but it would take 1 million microwave photons working in tandem to
overcome the work function. So find a mechanism. But please don't inflict
more case-control epidemiology on a paranoid public.

BAD DIAGNOSIS: THE HIGH COST OF IGNORANCE.
Why would it be such a big deal to use earphones? No big deal. I already
use an amplifier in each year so I can hear the birds outside my office.
Let me ask why would it be such a big deal to let people know how
electromagnetic radiation causes cancer? Bullshit is dangerous. In 1998
in London, Andrew Wakefield a British gastroenterologist, warned that the
MMR vaccine causes autism. In the following months the papers daily
carried stories of the tragedy of autism and the heroic doctor who had
found the cause. In the months following, MMR vaccinations of children
dropped from 90% to 70%. In 2006, the first child in more than a decade
died of measles in London. In the first four months of 2011, the HPA
reported 334 cases of measles, a 10 fold increase over the same period a
year earlier. In France, 7000 cases have been reported this year. Autism
was unaffected. http://bobpark.physics.umd.edu/WN11/wn010711.html

THE UNIVERSITY OF MARYLAND.
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2. You've got their shoes.
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Re: Junk Science and Quack Medicine

Postby Colonel Sun » Mon Jul 18, 2011 2:03 pm

Never criticize anyone until you've walked several kilometres in their shoes.
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2. You've got their shoes.
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Re: Junk Science and Quack Medicine

Postby noddy » Mon Jul 18, 2011 2:07 pm

pursuit is so boring, catching and hog tieing happyness is the new goal.
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Re: Junk Science and Quack Medicine

Postby Tinker » Mon Jul 18, 2011 2:14 pm

The canary didn't die because this mine is dangerous, it died because it's lazy and wasn't raised with a proper work ethic.
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Re: Junk Science and Quack Medicine

Postby Colonel Sun » Mon Jul 18, 2011 3:03 pm

Never criticize anyone until you've walked several kilometres in their shoes.
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2. You've got their shoes.
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Re: Junk Science and Quack Medicine

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Re: Junk Science and Quack Medicine

Postby Colonel Sun » Mon Jul 18, 2011 4:10 pm

Never criticize anyone until you've walked several kilometres in their shoes.
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1. You're now several kilometres away; and

2. You've got their shoes.
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Re: Junk Science and Quack Medicine

Postby Colonel Sun » Mon Aug 08, 2011 5:15 am

Never criticize anyone until you've walked several kilometres in their shoes.
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2. You've got their shoes.
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Re: Junk Science and Quack Medicine

Postby Colonel Sun » Sun Aug 21, 2011 11:28 pm

WHAT'S NEW Robert L Park Friday, 19 Aug 11 Washington, DC

1. HOMEOPATHY: THE DILUTION LIMIT AND THE CULTURE OF CREDULITY.
Based in France, Boiron, a huge multinational maker of homeopathic-
remedies, is suing an Italian blogger, Samuele Riva, for saying
oscillococcinum, the company’s featured flu medication, has no active
ingredient. Congratulations Sam, I gave up trying to get Boiron to sue me,
years ago but the Center for Inquiry, of which I'm a member, is pleading
with Boiron to sue us. "Anas barbariae hepatis et cordis extractum," is
listed as the active ingredient by the company. It’s prepared at a
concentration of 200CK HPUS from the liver of the Barbary duck. The 200CK
means the solution has been diluted 1 part in 100, shaken, and repeated
sequentially 200 times. HPUS means the medication is listed in the
Homeopathic Pharmacopeia of the United States, and prepared according to
1938 federal guidelines. It’s a national disgrace that the antiquated law
sanctioning homeopathy, introduced by Sen. Royal Copeland, himself a
homeopathist, is still be on the books. The dilution claim is totally
meaningless. Somewhere around the 30th of the 200 sequential dilutions,
the dilution limit of Earth would be reached, with the entire Earth
becoming the solute. That is, the possibility of even one molecule of the
duck-liver extract remaining in the solution beyond that point would be
negligible. Long before the 200th dilution, the dilution limit of the
entire visible universe would have been reached. This is all quite
meaningless. Astronomers put the number of atoms in the visible universe
at about 10 to the 80th power. It would take many universes to get to a
dilution of 200 C.

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Re: Junk Science and Quack Medicine

Postby Azrael » Thu Aug 25, 2011 12:57 am

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Eat and drink what you like. Speaking English is apparently what kills you.
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Randi at TED -- w/ homeopathic sleeping pill trick

Postby Azrael » Sun Aug 28, 2011 8:28 am


The homeopathic sleeping pill trick looks like it would be a lot of fun to try at parties.
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Re: Junk Science and Quack Medicine

Postby Colonel Sun » Mon Aug 29, 2011 1:01 pm

Never criticize anyone until you've walked several kilometres in their shoes.
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Re: Junk Science and Quack Medicine

Postby Colonel Sun » Tue Sep 13, 2011 10:12 pm

Never criticize anyone until you've walked several kilometres in their shoes.
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Re: Junk Science and Quack Medicine

Postby Tinker » Fri Sep 23, 2011 8:05 pm

Don't know where to put this, so this seems as good a place as any.

The canary didn't die because this mine is dangerous, it died because it's lazy and wasn't raised with a proper work ethic.
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Re: Junk Science and Quack Medicine

Postby Colonel Sun » Mon Oct 17, 2011 10:57 pm

Never criticize anyone until you've walked several kilometres in their shoes.
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Re: Junk Science and Quack Medicine

Postby Colonel Sun » Thu Nov 03, 2011 2:14 pm

Never criticize anyone until you've walked several kilometres in their shoes.
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Re: Junk Science and Quack Medicine

Postby Colonel Sun » Tue Nov 08, 2011 1:58 pm

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