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Diegetics • View topic - Rise of the Lucullians
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Rise of the Lucullians

PostPosted: Fri Jan 07, 2011 8:35 am
by thecontributer

Re: Rise of the Lucullians

PostPosted: Fri Jan 07, 2011 8:38 am
by thecontributer

Re: Rise of the Lucullians

PostPosted: Fri Jan 07, 2011 8:41 am
by thecontributer

Re: Rise of the Lucullians

PostPosted: Fri Jan 07, 2011 8:44 am
by thecontributer
Oh irony of ironies....

An elite, bewailing against her own fellow travelers....

Eventually, Oligarch vs Oligarch!

Re: Rise of the Lucullians

PostPosted: Fri Jan 07, 2011 8:46 am
by AzariLoveIran
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Thanks .. Interesting article ..

Yes, things moving to that direction .. no national elite anymore .. no national markets anymore .. global elite and global market .. acting not in national or regional interest anymore .. already happening .. things will look and happen differently, things must be viewed with global views .. no such thing as isolationism anymore .. either you part of it or you fucked .. oligarch is the wrong word .. there will be grouping of elites .. that's how west functioned post war .. now other groups of elite entering the scene .. probably 3 or 4 elite groups try to live together or fight it out ..


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Re: Rise of the Lucullians

PostPosted: Fri Jan 07, 2011 12:46 pm
by Endovelico
I'm not a bad shot. Just give me a AK47...

Re: Rise of the Lucullians

PostPosted: Fri Jan 07, 2011 6:54 pm
by Captain Murphy
If you can't beat 'em, join 'em, Endo. The problem is that it's becoming more and more difficult to penetrate these circles and the article illustrates why.

As for me personally, I made the very stupid decision of entering a PhD program in engineering. Although I will be completely debt free when I leave, it's clear that lacking the elite pedigree, and having fallen into a project with little academic merit, the degree will be worthless. Engineering jobs are increasingly mundane dead ends, as far as I'm concerned. I've sunk 4.5 years into this (including an MS along the way) and am looking for a way to get out and switch career tracks.

Oddly, it seems that finance and management will remain the place for talented people here.

Re: Rise of the Lucullians

PostPosted: Fri Jan 07, 2011 7:04 pm
by Tinker

Re: Rise of the Lucullians

PostPosted: Fri Jan 07, 2011 7:05 pm
by jerryberry
Sorry to hear about that Captain Murphy.

Re: Rise of the Lucullians

PostPosted: Fri Jan 07, 2011 7:46 pm
by Colonel Sun

Re: Rise of the Lucullians

PostPosted: Sat Jan 08, 2011 3:02 pm
by monster_gardener

Re: Rise of the Lucullians

PostPosted: Sun Jan 09, 2011 8:07 pm
by Alph
Captain Murphy,

I agree with Colonel Sun.

But Finance is undergoing a productivity revolution. Data availability, computerization, and increased communication are and will continue to reduce the number of people needed in the industry through allowing fewer and fewer to manage larger and larger amounts of capital because it decreases the diminishing returns of increasing portfolio size.

Besides, do you really want to spend a year or two as an ibanker?

If you want a stable career with good earnings potential, work for the government.

Re: Rise of the Lucullians

PostPosted: Sun Jan 09, 2011 8:54 pm
by Tinker
Or, if you want to be even MORE realistic than competing for highly competitive Government jobs that require you to do several years of working for free in order to get into a low paying job with few prospects for increasing one's salary very significantly, you can simply accept that the job market is highly competitive regardless of industry.

Re: Rise of the Lucullians

PostPosted: Sun Jan 09, 2011 9:28 pm
by Milo
The thing is that no matter how you wrap it up, charity from the rich is still exactly that. We did not get a middle class etc. because the rich donated us into it, we got it because economics started it and political action created a bunch of public spheres that supported it and enlarged it.

We cannot bet our future on the hope that some gazillionaire's whimsy will benefit us.

Re: Rise of the Lucullians

PostPosted: Sun Jan 09, 2011 11:57 pm
by Alph

Re: Rise of the Lucullians

PostPosted: Mon Jan 10, 2011 12:05 am
by monster_gardener
Duplicate post.

Re: Rise of the Lucullians

PostPosted: Mon Jan 10, 2011 12:12 am
by monster_gardener

Re: Rise of the Lucullians

PostPosted: Mon Jan 10, 2011 12:13 am
by Milo

Re: Rise of the Lucullians

PostPosted: Mon Jan 10, 2011 5:42 am
by Mr. Perfect
Re the original article;

1) I guess you see what happens when you put Democrats in charge of everything.

2) I don't think the last author has done the math, if you liquidate the holdings of the "super rich" and divvy it up with everybody, you get diddly/squat. A deeply anti-intellectual set of articles.

Re: Rise of the Lucullians

PostPosted: Mon Jan 10, 2011 5:45 am
by Mr. Perfect

Re: Rise of the Lucullians

PostPosted: Mon Jan 10, 2011 5:47 am
by Demon of Undoing

Re: Rise of the Lucullians

PostPosted: Mon Jan 10, 2011 5:53 am
by Mr. Perfect
Oh my. I think you're right. Wasn't that a line from the 1980's? Whew, the old noggin is a foggin.

Re: Rise of the Lucullians

PostPosted: Mon Jan 10, 2011 6:04 am
by Demon of Undoing

Re: Rise of the Lucullians

PostPosted: Mon Jan 10, 2011 6:12 am
by Mr. Perfect
Oh my. I've been using it for years, to the point where I had indeed forgotten where it came from, and your description indeed triggered the memory of even the grape. Sublime.

Re: Rise of the Lucullians

PostPosted: Mon Jan 10, 2011 7:17 pm
by Captain Murphy