Cut the Osprey?

[Tinker]

http://www.npr.org/2011/10/24/141589693 ... gram?sc=tw

Seems like a stupid move. Getting Marines in and out of locations fast is something you really need. Cutting the F-35 makes more sense than cutting the Osprey.

[monster_gardener]

[Captain Murphy]

They should cut the Osprey and the F-35. The more cuts to the military, the better. We need a 75% across-the-board budget cut.

[Hans Bulvai]

Gotta love them prop engines!

I agree. Cut the F-35, not this behemoth!

[Azrael]

[Tinker]

[Mr. Perfect]

[Tinker]

[Demon of Undoing]

[Tinker]

[Demon of Undoing]

Cobat Air Patrol, the bread and butter of fighter aircraft. We'll be fine as long as there aren't any real ward.

[Tinker]

[Demon of Undoing]

All I know is that every time someone says something can't happen, it does.

There is more than enough trouble brewing between nations right now to not be so sure.

[Tinker]

[Demon of Undoing]

We don't have an umanned antiair platform right now. When we do, cut what you like. As it is, there are large holes getting larger.

I'm going to recall the words of Schwarzkopf when he said that, had you asked where he thought he would fight when he was right out of the Point, he wasn't sure what his answers would have been, but it wouldn't have been Vietnam, Grenada, and Iraq.

[Tinker]

[Azrael]

Here's Pierre Sprey, father of the F-16 and A-10, on why the F-35 is a disaster

[AzariLoveIran]

[Demon of Undoing]

[Tinker]

I just do not see a credible threat that requires things like the F-35. We could send up drones that are basically just air to air missile launch vehicles that weigh half of what an F-16 does without fear of losing a pilot.

The Osprey on the other hand is what gets our Marines in and out of theater. That's what we need to get Marines into bumblefuckistan to take out an Al Qaeda trading post, not an F-35.

And I don't think it's 10-20 years out. A friend of mine whose company builds the supercomputers that model radiological material, told me that my estimates of how long it would take us to get to Star Trek were too conservative. She says that 3D printing is advancing faster than even I think.

I have no doubt that Lockheed, DARPA, Boeing etc... have the ability to pop out new designs really damn fast.

Just wait until the Starcraft/Eve Online generation gets in on it. As an aside, if anyone has paid attention to my posting of the Eve Online GoonSwarm operational manuals. These are a lot of the cats that are involved with OWS and Anonymous and such. They've been playing their decentralized empire building training simulators their whole lives. Stop thinking turn and burn and start thinking of a swarm of these air to air missile systems being tasked by some Starcraft multitasker.

[Ibrahim]

The US and several other countries have invested billions in the F-35 already, and most of the participant countries have fighter inventories build in the late 1980's. It is logical to go ahead and take orders on this aircraft (which has vastly superior air-to-ground capabilities than the F-22) rather than scrap it, lose the invested money, and wait for the wings to fall off all the F-15/16/18s.

This Osprey thing is a total joke, and the fact that the USMC has its own procurement instread of being folded into existing branches is also a joke. The US military has plenty of fixed and rotary wing aircraft to move Marines around, there is no call for this thing. Granted it looks pretty neat though.

[rednblacklumberjack]

posted in wrong thread

[Sparky]

[Azrael]

[AzariLoveIran]

Look folks,

I do not know any military task needing F-35 or F-16 that can not be accomplished (even much better) by today's smart missile or RPA

Meaning, sophisticated piloted Jet fighters will be obsolete in generation .. probably they already are

A source of limitless profit center for MIC will disappear .. RPA (remotely piloted aircraft), even the most sophisticated ones, will be 100 times less costly, much easier 2B undetectable, quite low tech

BTW, entry barrier for RPA much lower for 2nd tear powers , and as effective .. that is the beauty of it


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