DEA To Continue War Against American People

[crashtech]

[skyhook77sfg]

so whaddya expect from the corporate controlled USG agencies?

that the beer wine booze corps and the 1000%MARKUP NO BIDDING PHARMAS

would allow cannabis on the playing fields they own?


you think reason is at work when corp honchos can offer agency execs multi million dollar jobs?

this is all about money...

not medicine.

even the fda isnt immune to the hypocritic oath....

just read how Rumsfeld got aspartame approved.

[crashtech]

I don't believe the prohibition of marijuana is a conspiracy, but the persistence of Puritanical influence on governance that is incompatible with the modern concept of individual freedom.

[skyhook77sfg]

well yes puritanism is a peculiarly american cultural hypocrisy....

what's palins daughters name again?


but postulating a conspiracy is unnecessary ....

existing productive business assets in very profitable industries

do not like poachers on their turf and that turf includes the District of Criminals

where they spend lots and lots of money to protect and further their interests...

in the legalized bribery scheme whereby millionaires in house/senate

now pass lhe taws written by their billionaire sponsors

[Hapax Legomenon]

As a non-potsmoker that is in favor of pot legality, this just adds fuel to the already, rightfully-so, infuriated. It ain't in government's interests to legalize--too much money in ruining people's lives--more than tax money, anyway.

[Tinker]

[NapLajoieonSteroids]

This is bigger than the DEA and their peccadilloes. Marijunana is comfortably illegal enough to control people for our managerial overlords to subjugate us on their terms and at the appropriate times.

All drugs in America are semi-legal and abuse is encouraged. It's a very easy charge for them to get you on, if they so choose.

This could be seen in the treatment, under the law, of a Lindsay Lohan and a kid from Bed-Stuy.

It's a shame. And instead of allowing legislatures a voice in our vices, we have a bureaucracy to issue decrees at us.

[Azrael]

[crashtech]

Rational discussion of the relative harm caused by the ingestion of various substances does not interest people who favor continuation of the "War on Drugs." It is ironic and hypocritical to see these same people attack the Center for Science in the Public Interest for daring to suggest the government should regulate what food consenting adults can put in their bodies, but when it comes to any other substance, well, all bets are off.

[Colonel Sun]

[Tinker]

[Azrael]

[crashtech]

All this thread needs to be complete is for Mr. P to come in and mockingly invoke the tyranny of the majority.

[Demon of Undoing]

[skyhook77sfg]

AZRAEL IS QUITE RIGHT WHEN HE SAYS:

Authorities start fake terrorist plots and then go out and recruit people, then bust them for "terrorism".

perhaps this is where this started:




from seattle times sept 2 1992

Randy Weaver and the federal government continued their faceoff - without guns - in a Boise courtroom, and the 44-year-old for the first time told his side of the story behind an 11-day siege during which his wife, son and a federal marshal were killed.

Weaver, a former Green Beret who surrendered Monday at his mountain home in the Idaho Panhandle, pleaded not guilty yesterday to federal charges in the incident.

The war turned to words as Weaver issued a statement accusing the government of murder. And back in the Panhandle town of Naples, Weaver's 16-year-old daughter, Sara, told a harrowing tale of cowering in their floodlit cabin, listening to her 8-month-old sister crying "mama" as federal agents tried to coax the family to the door.

CHARGES OUTLINED

U.S. Magistrate Mikel Williams set a detention hearing for Sept. 10 on a charge that Randy Weaver shot at U.S. Marshal Arthur Broderick on Aug. 21. Broderick was unhurt, but another marshal was killed that day in a shootout that started the standoff.

Weaver also was held for trial Oct. 5 on a 1990 charge that he sold a sawed-off shotgun to a federal agent and another charge filed when he didn't show up for trial early in 1991.

Since then, federal agents kept Weaver and his family under watch at his mountain cabin outside Naples, just 40 miles from the Canadian border. That ended Aug. 21 when Deputy U.S. Marshal William Degan and Weaver's son, Samuel, 13, were shot to death in an exchange of gunfire.

The next day, Weaver's wife, Vicki, was killed in the cabin when a bullet struck her in the face. Both Weaver and family friend Kevin Harris, 24, were wounded by gunfire on Aug. 22.

SARA STICKS TO STORY

Weaver said he surrendered because he was promised he would be defended by a good attorney. Former Green Beret Lt. Col. James "Bo" Gritz, the Populist Party candidate for president, helped negotiate an end to the standoff.

Before the surrender, Sara Weaver said in an interview with The Spokane Spokesman-Review,"I thought I'd have to run out of the cabin and start shooting. I figured I was going to die, and I wanted to take a few of them with me."

She stood by the version of events her father and Harris dictated to her in a letter five days after hundreds of federal agents, police and military troops began a siege of the cabin.

In the letter, she wrote that as Randy and Samuel Weaver and Harris followed a barking dog down their hill, they came across federal agents in camouflage.

One agent shot the dog, and Samuel Weaver fired at the agents. He was running toward the house, Sara Weaver said, when he was shot in the elbow and back. Harris then shot Degan, she said.

The next day, when Randy Weaver reached to unlatch the door on the outbuilding where they had placed Samuel's body, a bullet hit his upper arm and went out his armpit, Sara Weaver said.

"I ran up to my dad and tried to shield him and pushed him toward the house," she said. "If they were going to shoot someone, I was going to make them shoot a kid."

They ran into the house, where Vicki Weaver was holding the door open. "She was yelling, `You bastards,' " Sara Weaver said. "And she was holding the baby."

A bullet hit Vicki Weaver in the head. Bullet fragments hit Harris in the chest and arm.

"They said it was a gunbattle" that led to Vicki Weaver's death, Sara Weaver added. "But no one in my family fired a shot. There were only their snipers trying to kill us."

As early as Sunday, Aug. 23, the family yelled to federal agents that Vicki Weaver was dead, but an FBI negotiator kept asking to speak to her, Sara said.

"They'd come on real late at night and say, `Come out and talk to us, Mrs. Weaver,' `How's the baby, Mrs. Weaver,' in a real smart-alecky voice," she said. "Or they'd say, `Good morning Randall. How'd you sleep? We're having pancakes. What are you having?' It was like psychological warfare. It made me so mad."

Gerry Spence, a nationally known lawyer from Jackson, Wyo., said Gritz called him and said Weaver would surrenderwithout further bloodshed if Spence agreed to defend him.

Weaver is a devotee of the Christian Identity Movement, which combines Old Testament, right-wing and white-supremacist beliefs. Spence said he did not share those beliefs but will battle to see that Weaver gets a fair trial.

U.S. Attorney Maurice Ellsworth said the charges are not about religious beliefs or freedoms but allege that Weaver shot at a federal agent on Aug. 21.

Harris, who was seriously wounded, surrendered Sunday and was taken to a Spokane hospital. He is charged with murder in the shooting of Degan and is expected to be brought to Boise for court proceedings.Represented by celebrity defense attorney Gerry Spence, both men were acquitted of all charges and, in addition, a jury found that Weaver’s original arrest on a weapons violation was the result of entrapment. Weaver was convicted only of a failure to appear for trial.
Aftermath

Following the trial, Weaver filed a wrongful death suit in the killing of Vicki, which was settled out of court in 1994 for over $3 million. In 1995, a Senate Subcommittee on Terrorism, Technology, and Government Information held public hearings to address allegations of government misconduct. At issue were questions regarding FBI and BATF handling of the investigation of Randy Weaver, the rules of engagement used by SOG during the raid, and allegations of a subsequent cover-up during the trial. In each case, the committee determined that the government had acted irresponsibly and, in the case of the rules of engagement, unconstitutionally. Among their findings were FBI orders that instructed federal snipers to shoot on sight any member of the Weaver family seen to be carrying a weapon, despite the fact that only Randy was charged with a crime. The committee also concluded that Horiuchi’s second shot, which killed Vicki Weaver, was unjustified under FBI policy and the United States Constitution. Further, the committee found that federal officials attempted to cover up their misconduct in several ways: by failing to follow proper
investigative protocols, failing to provide or delaying the release of relevant documents for the court, and showing favoritism when reviewing the actions of friends and colleagues. For many on the extreme Right, the findings of the Senate subcommittee provided evidence of a conspiracy that they had long suspected. According to Timothy McVeigh’s own statements, the treatment of the Weavers in the Ruby Ridge incident, coupled with similar government handling of the Branch Davidian siege in Waco, Texas, played a significant role in his decision to bomb a federal building in Oklahoma City. A decade later, Ruby Ridge continues to anger antigovernment activists: in June 2001, a federal appeals court ruled that Lon Horiuchi could stand trial on an involuntary manslaughter charge for the killing of Vicki Weaver. But the following week, an Idaho prosecutor declined to pursue the case, citing insufficient evidence, and dropped the charge. Randy Weaver lives with his remaining children in Iowa.

IT WAS ESTBLISHED THE FBI INFORMANT TRIED NUMEROUS TIMES TO GET WEAVER TO MAKE HIM A SAWED OFF SHOTGUN

EACH TIME RAISING THE AMOUNT OFFERED. THE FBI WANTED FROM THE GET GO TO SWAP DROPPING CHARGES FOR WEAVER WEARING A WIRE

AND INFILTRATING A CHRISTIAN IDENTITY CHURCH THAT WAS PART OF THE ARYAN NATION

[Demon of Undoing]

This is stuff happening to blacks and Mexicans from a long time back. The WoT is nothing more than the WoD writ large.

[skyhook77sfg]

point well taken

the war on drugs has indeed been a driver of hypocrisy and corruption at every level of society

Gary Johnson anyone?

[Mr. Perfect]

I think more along the lines of " a SWAT team for thee and not for me" movement that simultaneously wraps itself it the robes of freedom is entertaining to watch as it fails to get traction. Rather than "tyranny of a majority".

[skyhook77sfg]

those who actually think about US drug policy

cannot avoid the conclusion it is a shameful sham

fully revealed by standing orders to the USMC and Us Army and USAF

to not harm the Afgan opium poppy fields that now supply 90% of world heroin....

and jail for a black man whose ashtray contains a bit of marijuana

[Tinker]

[Mr. Perfect]

If you aren't advocating for legal coke, meth, heroin and an elimination of the FDA you're just arguing for a a SWAT team for thee and not for me. Plenty of people on my hypocrisy bus, and yet people will only point the finger at me (including many of the hypocrites themselves). Do you know why that is? I have some answers if you can't think of any.

[skyhook77sfg]

and if you are arguing for criminalization of harmful drugs

you should really begin with the one that does more harm

to people, families and the economy than all others put together...

the one that predictably produces aggressive violent behaviour

that abuses even kids and dogs and has a distinct causal tendency

to necrosis of liver functions which causes total necrosis

which is barber/surgeon tech talk for kicking the bucket.

[NapLajoieonSteroids]

[Tinker]

[Tinker]