How would you secure Pakistan's nukes?

[rednblacklumberjack]

Hoping this becomes an exercise in gaming scenarios, strategy and missions impossible -

[Captain Murphy]

Well, we don't know where they are, but I would begin with:

Step 1. Find out where the nukes are

1a. Plant Indian/Pakistani American operatives in Pakistan's military establishment. Give them a different mission, in case they are found out.
2a. Plant Russian-speaking agents to pose as Russian intelligence officers. Task them with putting Pakistani moles on the "Russian" payroll.
3a. Plant Chinese-speaking agents to pose as Chinese intelligence officers. Task them with putting Pakistani moles on the "Chinese" payroll.

Simultaneously, I would bring to bear vigorous diplomatic pressure on the Pakistanis, Indians, and Chinese. Disarmament is the most feasible solution, I think.

[AzariLoveIran]

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Why Pakistan Nukes bothering west ?

Pakistan threatening nobody

Zionist have said, in many occasions, they will use their nukes (even against European cities) if indigini demand their homes back

Muslims need nuke too

Why Brits with so much blood on their hand last 200 yrs and French that killed so many Algerians claiming Algerian Oil is their have Nukes and Muslims are not allowed to ?

Come on

Leave Pakistan alone ..

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[Sparky]

Because the sort of society which invokes sorcery as a serious, damning political criticism in public life ought not to be armed with anything more capable of wielding global destruction than an arquebus or a tulwar.

[skyhook77sfg]

like uncle joe said

its not who gets the votes

its who counts the votes.


Exceptionalism started with monotheism.

Still going strong unfortunately.

[Najar]

For a good price , Pakistanis will sell them.

[AzariLoveIran]

[AzariLoveIran]

[Sparky]

Iranians are slavers past and present, whose current tragicomic antics show them to be unfit to run a kebab shop on the Old Kent Road, let alone be the custodians of atomic weapons, so lets rule those muppets out for starters. The Pakistanis are even worse - a nation crying out for a Failblog category all of its own.

If I only had one to give, I suppose I'd give it to North Korea - donated from 30,000 feet, smack bang onto Kim Jong Il's pale, thrashing buttocks within his Courvoisier-soaked knocking shop train.

[Ibrahim]

I think Pakistan is well beyond the point where anything can be "done" about their nuclear arsenal by an external power. In the early stages, when the program is new or incomplete, or there are only a small number of bombs (as in Iran) an Israeli-style airstrike may get the job done, or maybe some videogame-style Bin-Laden-raid shit against a single institution.

But Pakistan has a large, strategically dispersed arsenal, and a large and at least semi-capable military. The only endgame for that organization is an all-out and possibly nuclear war with India.

[rednblacklumberjack]

How Russia undermined Iran's nuclear weapons:

[AzariLoveIran]

[Mr. Perfect]

Nothing can be done.

[AzariLoveIran]

[Sparky]

I can only conclude that you buy your Rolex watches from a guy at the bazaar, whose shop front consists of the lining of his shabby jacket.

[AzariLoveIran]

[skyhook77sfg]

THE NATIVES GET TOUCHY ABOUT THEIR NUKES


The nuclear issue looks different from Pakistan. For most of the world, the question is, can terrorists steal the nuclear weapons? In Islamabad it’s, can the United States or India steal them?


The SEAL raid on bin Laden’s compound shakes Pakistanis. The stealth with which U.S. commandos slipped into and out of Pakistan — seemingly without provoking a Pakistani response — is read in Pakistan as evidence that such a mission could be successfully directed against nuclear facilities.

Pakistan’s security establishment is humiliated that bin Laden was holed up within sight of its top military academy. Whether the Pakistani army and intelligence services were complicit has no bearing on the nuclear security question. But the alternative — that the security forces are incompetent — should be alarming.

Pakistan’s military is regarded as its only national institution that works. It is supposed to be omnipresent — with eyes and ears across the country. In that respect, it does not seem credible that no one in the establishment knew bin Laden’s whereabouts.

Unless, of course, that image is overblown and incorrect. This is the real concern.

Western analysts were quick to pounce on the nuclear security implications of incompetence. According to The New York Times: “It has raised the issue of whether any assurance provided by the Pakistani military can be trusted, including the security of its nuclear arsenal.”

In Pakistan, however, the adequacy of its nuclear security triggers different alarms. There, the fear is that the United States or India will launch a pre-emptive strike to destroy or steal Pakistan’s nuclear weapons. This is a longstanding fear, cultivated since the 1980s, when Pakistan’s bomb program was clandestine.

In recent years, it has been bolstered by conspiracy theories surrounding the growing U.S. presence in Pakistan. Fueled by wild stories in the free-wheeling Pakistani media, many Pakistanis believe that the large-muscled Westerners wearing shalwar kameez and driving big SUVs are in search of the country’s nuclear weapons, not Al Qaeda.

This was evident in the rumors surrounding the Raymond Davis affair, in which Islamabad detained a CIA contractor.

Kamran Khan, on his nightly Geo TV talk show, asked provocatively: “We had the belief that our defense was impenetrable but look what has happened. Such a massive intrusion, and it went undetected. ... What is the guarantee that our strategic assets and security installations are safe?”

He was not wondering whether the nuclear weapons are safe from terrorists but from the U.S.

This concern is not confined to media commentators and armchair analysts. Pakistani Army Corps commanders, a powerful group, met days after the killing to discuss the events. The group signaled its interest in kicking all U.S. military and intelligence personnel out of the country and reaffirmed that the Pakistani nuclear arsenal would be secure against U.S. and Indian threats.

This paranoia is unfounded — killing one person in a stealthy raid is a far different proposition than capturing nuclear weapons and material in multiple, heavily guarded facilities. But even the perception worries Pakistan’s generals, which is detrimental to the U.S.-Pakistan relationship.

Both Pakistani and U.S. experts lament the growing gulf in trust between the two countries. The nuclear security debate is the clearest evidence of this gap.

It is impossible to build a strategic relationship when one partner can’t be trusted to prevent nuclear terrorism and the other can’t be trusted not to exploit its intelligence and military presence to steal or destroy the other’s nuclear deterrent.

Instead of more handwringing and conspiracy theorizing — which are partly to blame for the trust deficit — it is time to set aside the nuclear-security debate and move on to issues on which U.S. and Pakistani interests align. Critical work can be done to build Pakistan’s economy, revamp its energy system and boost regional trade. Progress in these areas would be good for Pakistanis and stabilizing for the region.

SEND MORE MONEY

EUROS PLEASE

[Mr. Perfect]

[AzariLoveIran]

[Mr. Perfect]

That's the whole thing Az, whoever we side with we end up being against some other side, who then feels like they have to kill us all. Put me under the knife.

I've had enough. For full pullout of all ME nations. Build a big port in the gulf to import/export all product at blind auction. No idea where it comes from, do not care, take the money do whatever you want with it. All ME affairs managed internally. ALL. Port managed by the Swiss.

My solution.

[skyhook77sfg]

NOT TO WORRY UPDATE




Taliban Say They Won't Hit Nuclear Arsenal



A larger assault earlier this week by the Pakistan Taliban on a naval base renewed fears that Pakistan's sizable nuclear arsenal could be vulnerable. The Taliban's spokesman, Ehsanullah Ehsan, dismissed those concerns Wednesday as America's "excuse" to pressure Pakistan's government into fighting the Taliban, who he portrayed as the country's true protectors.

"Pakistan is the only Muslim nuclear-power state," Mr. Ehsan said in a telephone interview, adding that the Taliban had no intention of changing that fact. The Taliban, after all, aim to take over Pakistan and its weapons.

http://pakistanthinktank.org/component/ ... ar-arsenal

[the glowing carp]

Pakistan can handle the rise of Funadamentalists in whatever way they think best, our continued involvement in the region only stirs up hostility and memories of Colonialism.

If the Fundamentalists win in Pakistan, let Medieval ideas come to their full fruition and be exposed for what they are, after a Nuclear holy war between adherants to the same invisible space being has wiped out a large percentage of humanity can we be rid of such superstition.

[AzariLoveIran]

[cincinnatus]

Mumbai Attack Part 2.

[rednblacklumberjack]

The scenario I was envisioning was something closer to a less ambiguous crisis, something where the danger would be so great it might dissolve the politics that would keep lesser issues idling.

If a country invented a powerful technology, then woefully, tragically lost control of it, could something be done, especially if there were dozens of locations that needed to be investigated? I was imagining a moon-landing esque effort to find and account for Pakistan's nukes, as if one could guarantee that powers searching for its nukes do not have other designs on interests localized in Pakistan's domain. Maybe in a sense I was searching for re-assurance that we won't have flagrantly insecure nukes anywhere, let alone there, indefinitely.

Or do you think that something like this is sadly beyond the present capabilities of our species, even if we set the goal at securing ~75% of them?