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[AzariLoveIran]

[AzariLoveIran]

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.. Looooooooooove it







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[AzariLoveIran]

[skyhook77sfg]

AZARI

yes the new strategy is much more likely to be productive.

the old strategy of periodic violent confrontations and homemade rockets

was successful only in legitimizing the "no one to to talk peace with" mantra of the occupier.

Non violence makes the other sides superior violence of action capabilities either useless or a world wide embarassment.


All depends on whether they can keep the violence prone muzzled .

[AzariLoveIran]

[skyhook77sfg]

The real battle for Israel

Monday’s riots in Jerusalem may be harbinger of inevitable secular-religious clash



The greatest threat faced by Israel today is not external, but rather, domestic; the wars of the Jews may be more dangerous than any battle waged by our enemies.

Monday’s riots in Jerusalem following Rabbi Dov Lior’s arrest were a wakeup call for those still clinging to comforting slogans of Jewish unity. The State of Israel at this time is home to distinct population groups that are drawing further apart. The gap will soon become unbridgeable; some say we are already there.

The hundreds of religious rightist protestors who blocked the entrance to Jerusalem, burned tires in the capital’s streets and raided the Supreme Court, made their views clear: The Torah, as they interpret it, takes precedence over law and order. Israeli courts have sent a former president to jail and are currently hearing a case against our former prime minister, but a rabbi is above the law, we are now told.


Rioters in Jerusalem were chanting “Torah has been arrested,” implying that a human being, Rabbi Lior, symbolizes the essence of Judaism. For a religion that throughout history sanctified traditions, ideas and God, rather than people, this is a tragedy. Just look at Moses, arguably the greatest figure in Jewish history, an imperfect, stuttering man who was not glorified despite leading the Jews from slavery to freedom. We do not worship Moses, yet today some of us have taken to worshipping rabbis.

Indeed, the Jewish religion that for so long symbolized wisdom and humanism is increasingly sinking into darkness, crude intolerance and boorish fanaticism. One illustration of this is modesty becoming a focal point of Jewish belief here, as if one dress code or another is what Judaism is all about. Religious youth groups that were once mixed are now gender segregated. Religious soldiers walk out of performances as not to hear a woman singing. In some neighborhoods, women are confined to one side of the road. Segregated buses have become the norm. The list goes on and on.


It is still too early to tell where Israel is headed, but a secular-religious clash - the kind we had not yet seen in this country - may gradually become inevitable. If Monday’s events in Jerusalem are any indication, we may indeed be in for a very hot summer. May God grant us the wisdom to change course before it’s too late.

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WISDOM INDEED

will be sorely needed

when the messiahs donkey*

has fulfilled its role


*Seffi Rachlevsky's controversial best-seller The Messiah's Donkey

http://www.euvolution.com/neoeugenics/j ... talism.htm

[AzariLoveIran]

[Azrael]

[AzariLoveIran]

[Azrael]

But won't the Palestinian Authority lose in the Security Council?



Isn't it pretty much a given that the U.S. will veto what Israel asks it to veto?

[skyhook77sfg]

yes

but the strategy seems to underline the isolation of the only two countries out of several hundred that can ignore indefinite injustice....

a means to raise the cost of inaction by humiliation

but hutzpah is not so easily embarrassed .

[Hans Bulvai]

[Azrael]

[skyhook77sfg]

are the caterpillar workers in illinois who probably built this equipment proud to learn:


IDF destroys nine water tanks in parched Palestinian village

By Sean O’Neill

Late Tuesday morning, July 5, around 11:30am, a convoy of IDF, Civil Administration, and Border Police arrived in the Palestinian village of Amniyr accompanying a flatbed truck with a front end loader and a backhoe. Israeli settlers having a picnic at the settlement outpost next to the Susiya archaeological site looked on as the army destroyed nine large tanks of water and a tent.

Amniyr is a small village of 11 families in the South Hebron Hills, just northeast of the Palestinian village of Susiya and the Israeli settlement of the same name. The village of shepherds and farmers, like most villages in the area, is totally dependent in the summer on tanks of water.

That water does not come cheap. Costs of transportation, due to the poor infrastructure in the area – Palestinians are normally not permitted to build roads in Area C of the West Bank and have restricted access to Israeli roads – mean the cost of water is much higher than normal. A cubic meter of water in the nearby town of Yatta costs 6 shekels. In Amniyr it cost 35. The tanks themselves cost 1,000 shekels each, and each tank held 2 cubic meters of water, yielding a total of over 10,000 shekels in damage, which for many in the area is equivalent to a half year’s work.

This is the fifth demolition in Amniyr in the last year, according to village residents and Nasser Nawaja, a B’Tselem worker. One month ago the army destroyed 11 houses and two cisterns full of water. The cisterns had also been destroyed 5 months ago and rebuilt with the help of Israeli activists from Ta’ayush. The ruins of houses from previous demolitions is still present, broken stones and twisted metal. Located just south of the archaeological site of old Susiya, the Israeli government claims it is state land.

Ten of the families now sleep in Yatta and come during the day to tend to their olive and almond trees as they have no place to stay and no water. But Mohammed Hussain Jabour and his wife Zaffra refuse to leave. The morning after the demolition they were making tea on an open fire next to their tent. “I’ve been here with my father and our sheep since I was a little boy,” he said, with visible indignation. “Now I’m an old man. And now Israel tells me I can’t be here. I’m not leaving.”
“What are we supposed to do?” Zaffra asked. “What will we drink? We can’t live without water.”

The demolition comes on the heels of the demolition of 6 tent homes and a lavatory in the village of Bir al Eid, two kilometers to the south, two weeks ago. Both incidents are the latest in a long history of demolitions of Palestinians homes and buildings in the area by the Israeli army, affecting both these villages and the villages of Susiya and Imneizel, a village south of Susiya.



Sean O’Neill worked for Christian Peacemaker Teams from 2006-2009 in the South Hebron Hills supporting Palestinian-led nonviolent resistance to Israeli occupation and continued settlement expansion. He is currently an MA candidate at New York University in Near Eastern Studies and Journalism. He is in Israel/Palestine this summer researching for his masters’ thesis

[Hans Bulvai]

[Apollonius]

[Tinker]

The notion of a 'nail in the coffin' of Islam is a bit hasty. I think Islam will survive the scholarship that points out that it is not the inerrant word of God just as Christianity did.

[Apollonius]

It might.

If it does, it will be unrecognizeable as such.

But I'm an optimist.

[AzariLoveIran]

[Hans Bulvai]

[Sparky]

[Hans Bulvai]

[Azrael]

[Mr. Perfect]

Well well Az, what kind of website did you get that at?

[Azrael]