US Media Blackout on AFPAK Outrage

[cincinnatus]

[Azrael]

[CgDs]

[skyhook77sfg]

YOU CAN BET THE FARM ON THAT CG



DEMON

yep, that DAVIS personna is most definitely non grata.

will do some delicate inquiring but as you especially understand this is a highly sensitive compartmentalized shall we say activity where more than one life may be in jeopardy.

do agree btw your diagnosis re AFPAK AO...


regrettably ...

but the fix was already in at tora bora....

command decision from highest authority NOT TO USE US FORCES AVAILABLE TO CAPTURE/KILL UBL ...

AND THE BEAT GOES ON....

[Ibrahim]

Correct me if I am wrong, but are some people here suggesting this guy wasn't working for the US government in some capacity?

[Demon of Undoing]

Don't hurt nobody , Hook. The machine seems to be running fine with me being ignorant , so don't do anything that might grow a shoe in it on my account. But thanks.

And yes , we need to get the story on Anaconda and other mysteries.

Az

I seriously doubt he was holding a one way ticket. To the best of my knowledge , the last time they were issued was to guys that moved border markers between N Vietnam and China just as an FU. I am sure I am wrong , but if it's been issued since , I've not heard of it. And no , that doesn't mean anything - I haven't heard of a whole lot of things.

Cinc

Nice thought and my sympathies are indeed there. But practically , I don't see how it could be done. We'd basically have to set fire to the country and our position in the region to do it. This type thing makes for nasty , nasty choices. When abandoning your own people is the way to save , well , whatever the fuck we are trying to save in that place , the suck has arrived. I shit you not that this is the wing of the business that kept me from trying out for the big leagues. It happens. He was no victim , whatever his reason for being there , but you know what ? I bet he was there for a really , really dhitty reason. Something about Pomeranian grenadiers comes to mind.

Ibrahim

Anybody thinks this guy wasn't ours in some capacity needs their head examined.

[Azrael]

[skyhook77sfg]

and yet the realm of possibilities does include a 'dinner out" option per cinncinatus....

back in 05 Iraq two SAS operators about to do some major mischief in Basra were captured and imprisoned. The 22 SAS commander was denied permission to launch a rescue by higher HQ at MoD.but SAS organized some tanks they drove through prison walls and brought em home...half dozen locals damaged beyond repair.

but that was on a n officially declared battlefield...

Pakistan is not one yet but some are trying to change that.

[Demon of Undoing]

[skyhook77sfg]

negative.

he holds the alltime SF oldtimers record.

on the agency side, old Dewey Claridge from pre bay of pigs days is still operating in SW Asia at nearly 80.

[skyhook77sfg]

murmurs heard in the company area
of the secret army of northern virginia....

hell no davis aint one of ours.
ask the p2 people about him....




FOLLOWING UNCLASSIFIED OPENSOURCE INFO FROM GLOBALRESEARCH.COM




P2OG: "Commit terror, to incite terror… in order to react to terror"

In 2002, the Pentagon’s Defense Science Board (DSB) conducted a "Summer Study on Special Operations and Joint Forces in Support of Countering Terrorism," portions of which were leaked to the Federation of American Scientists. According to the document, the "War on Terror" constitutes a "committed, resourceful and globally dispersed adversary with strategic reach," which will require the US to engage in a "long, at times violent, and borderless war." As the Asia Times described it, this document lays out a blueprint for the US to "fight fire with fire." Many of the "proposals appear to push the military into territory that traditionally has been the domain of the CIA, raising questions about whether such missions would be subject to the same legal restraints imposed on CIA activities." According to the Chairman of the DSB, "The CIA executes the plans but they use Department of Defense assets."

Specifically, the plan "recommends the creation of a super-Intelligence Support Activity, an organization it dubs the Proactive, Preemptive Operations Group (P2OG), to bring together CIA and military covert action, information warfare, intelligence and cover and deception. For example, the Pentagon and CIA would work together to increase human intelligence (HUMINT) forward/operational presence and to deploy new clandestine technical capabilities." The purpose of P2OG would be in "‘stimulating reactions’ among terrorists and states possessing weapons of mass destruction, meaning it would prod terrorist cells into action, thus exposing them to ‘quick-response’ attacks by US forces."[2] In other words, commit terror to incite terror, in order to react to terror.

The Los Angeles Times reported in 2002 that, "The Defense Department is building up an elite secret army with resources stretching across the full spectrum of covert capabilities. New organizations are being created. The missions of existing units are being revised," and quoted then-Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld as saying, "Prevention and preemption are ... the only defense against terrorism."[3] Chris Floyd bluntly described P2OG in CounterPunch, saying, "the United States government is planning to use "cover and deception" and secret military operations to provoke murderous terrorist attacks on innocent people. Let's say it again: Donald Rumsfeld, Dick Cheney, George W. Bush and the other members of the unelected regime in Washington plan to deliberately foment the murder of innocent people--your family, your friends, your lovers, you--in order to further their geopolitical ambitions."


CAPISH?

OPERATIVE CLassification of targets as 'terrorists and states possessing wmd SURE FITS pAKISTAN EH?


Such tactics would hold "states/sub-state actors accountable" and "signal to harboring states that their sovereignty will be at risk," the briefing paper declares.

[Tinker]

That's a little bit frightening.

[skyhook77sfg]

Feb. 10, 2011
Pakistani officials said President Obama's national security advisor summoned Pakistan's ambassador to the White House Monday evening to deliver a threat from the president: Release Raymond Davis, an American being held in Lahore for killing two Pakistanis, or face the consequences.

National Security Advisor Tom Donilon told Ambassador Husain Haqqani, according to two Pakistani officials involved in negotiations about Davis, that the U.S. will kick Haqqani out of the U.S., close U.S. consulates in Pakistan, and cancel an upcoming visit by Pakistan's president to Washington, if Davis, a U.S. embassy employee, is not released from custody by Friday.


The outlines of the threat were confirmed to ABC News by a senior U.S. official, who was not authorized to speak on the record. A White House spokesperson, Tommy Vietor, declined comment.



SOMETHING VERY VERY BIG GOING ON HERE...

Mr Davis is clearly involved in heavy duty duty...


btw




As reported today in the New York Times in an article by Jane Perlez, there is also a company in Las Vegas Nevada called Hyperion Protective Services. That firm’s 2006 registration information lists as its owners Raymond A Davis and his wife Rebecca J. Davis of 9811 W. Charleston St., Las Vegas, Nevada, 89117. It lists the company’s address as 9345 Boulder Opal Ave., Las Vegas. A registration in Nevada of that name says that Gerald Richardson “founded the firm” in 1999. In an curious twist though, Channel 7 News in Denver, a local ABC affiliate, has learned that Davis and his wife, the two listed principals of the company, actually live in Highland Ranch, Colorado, which would be a fair commute to Vegas.

This company, which Perlez says claims it at least hopes to win government contracts, advertises its services (basically providing due diligence for companies making property purchases, and running background checks on employees), on a website called LasVegasComplete.com. On that site, it lists its website, which is the same original site for Hyperion-Protective Consultants, LLC, the apparently virtual company that borrowed the mail address of Gerald Richardson’s clothing shop at 5100 North Lane, Orlando until he couldn’t pay the rent and got evicted, and that doesn’t have a listed number, or a person to answer the phone. One reason may be that it may no longer exist. Lee Rivers, an official of the Florida Secretary of State's office on says that the company was registered back in before 2008 as Hyperion-Protective Consultants LLC, but that it was dissolved that year for "failing to file a report with the Division of Corporations." Rivers notes that it is illegal for a company to "hold itself out as a Florida Corporation," when it is not actually one.

Meanwhile, the phone number listed for the Nevada incarnation of Hyperion-Protective is a cell phone with a Tucson, Arizona area code, which is registered to Raymond A. Davis. A call to that phone reached a recording of a male voice, with no mention of Hyperion-Protective, and no name offered, asking for call-back information. The call was not returned.

Perlez in her article, datelined Lahore, Pakistan, at least for the first time mentions the forensic evidence that both of Davis’s victims were shot in the back and the back of the head, and quotes police as saying that Davis had told them he shot the men not because they had menaced him with guns, as has earlier been asserted in the US media, based on misleading statements from the State Department, but because “he believed that the men were armed.”

Perlez also confirms another point--the suspicious array of items that police found in Davis’s rented Honda Civic when they arrested him--though she diminishes their significance by offering the snide comment that the local Pakistani press has been “dwelling” on the items, as well as on his various, and mutually exclusive array of business cards, which included one listing him as working out of the Peshawar Consulate, on the edge of the Pashtun Tribal area, one listing him as a Defense Department contractor, and one listing him as an employee of the seemingly non-existent Hyperion-Protective Consultants LLC in Orlando.

The items that the Pakistani press are “dwelling” on though, as listed by Perlez, include a Glock handgun, a flashlight that attaches to a headband, and a pocket telescope. Unmentioned by Perlez, but also found by police in Davis’s car, were a large number of cellphones, including at least one satellite phone, a collection of batteries, bucketloads of bullets, both for the Glock and a Beretta allegedly used by Davis to kill the two motorcyclists in his pinpoint shots through his front windshield, and a load of M-16 shells. Police report that the bullets were high-powered killer projectiles not allowed in many countries. There were military-grade knives, wires, and a surprising array of high-capacity magazines for the handguns, too (like the one used to such devastating effect in the recent Tucson massacre that killed several people and left Congresswoman Gabrielle Giffords with a serious brain injury).

There was also something else police found that is profoundly puzzling and disturbing: a camera loaded with pictures of dozens of madrassas (religious schools) and other buildings around Lahore.

What seems clear at this point is that Davis, 36, is not what the US government is now claiming he is: a “technical advisor” to the consulate. That geeky description is belied by the eight or more perfect shots that he put, rapid-fire, into the two motorcyclists, shooting through the front windshield of his car.

His record --10 years in US Special Forces, supposedly ending in 2003--and his shell “security” company in the US, with its faked addresses, suggest strongly that he is working for the US, either in some intelligence branch, or more likely as an employee of some mercenary-for-hire company like Xe (Blackwater). In fact, a former long-time Army Special Forces veteran familiar with black-ops, speculates that Davis may still be in the Special Forces. He says, "Consider the strong possibility of our man being active-duty military, not Agency, not contract. Military people from special units have more and more taken responsibility for covert ops, especially those that involve shooting."

This veteran adds, "Military folks are sometimes given an "official" cover, ie, a diplomatic
passport and some BS story about what they do (consular section, eg). This is a problem, because it violates agreements with the host nations about reporting how many military are in country, and covers some sensitive operations. Thus the panic of the Department of State et al right now."

What Davis was actually doing on his ill-fated drive into the commercial heart of Lahore when things went wrong is up for grabs.

There have been several reports in the Pakistani press, unmentioned by Perlez, that the two men he killed were not, as initially reported by the US, petty thieves, but were actually agents working for Pakistan’s intelligence service, the ISI. Today, ABC’s Nick Schifrin, who has been the best reporter on this story in the US corporate media, reports that while the State Department “adamantly denies” the claim (big surprise, that!), four Pakistani officials, off the record, have told ABC that the two men Davis killed were ISI agents assigned to tail Davis because he was a spy who ISI felt had “crossed a red line.”

What “red line" might that be? Again there is further speculation in Pakistan’s media that Davis, instead of simply gathering intelligence, may have been involved in some kind of covert US program to actually finance or orchestrate some of the bombings that have been rocking, and destabilizing Pakistan. (Certainly that could be an explanation for the stop at the ATM for a bundle of cash, and for all of those cell phones recovered from Davis’s car and person, which could serve nicely as bomb detonators--a popular method adopted by terrorists everywhere-- though of course they could also have been dedicated lines or throwaways for “cutouts,” as one veteran of such black-ops notes.)


EH MES AMIS...

QUEST QUE C'EST QUE CA?

like bo gritz told you...

through the looking glass...

and this aint kansas.

the.... how do you say merde...will hit the fan, no?

[Demon of Undoing]

I just don't see how anybody would run a false flag op out of the embassy , and if they did , why they would fight for diplomatic status for him. It just runs counter to the whole concept.

[skyhook77sfg]

would seem so...

but remember we are through the looking glass here...

sheep dipped and goat f***ed...


btw his wife and two teen age children have applied for a paki visa to visit him....

but the real biggy is "photos of madrassahs" in his camera??????????????????????????????????????

oh and...



Raymond Davis identifies four other accused


ISLAMABAD: Punjab government is all set to move the court for securing the arrest warrants of four other US “diplomats” who had come to rescue their colleague Raymond Davis from the crime scene but fled after killing yet another citizen, Ebad-ul-Rehman.

Raymond Davis, during interrogation, finally identified the officials who rushed to the scene to rescue him. Initially it was said a US Consulate driver had come to the spot. Raymond disclosed there were four American officials from the consulate besides the driver.

In light of his disclosure, CCPO Lahore Aslam Tareen, the head of the investigation team, wrote a letter to the consulate three days after the incident when verbal contacts failed making any headway.

As there was no response, the Tareen-led police team went to the consulate requesting the handover of these wanted diplomats charged in the murder case of Ebad but returned empty handed. Now, the last option left is to secure arrest warrants from the court, said a well-placed official.

The official said Raymond is fully cooperating with the interrogators and has been kept in tight security in Chong Police Training Centre. “Contrary to speculative media reports, Raymond fully cooperates. He was extremely nervous in the beginning and only became normal when granted the counsellor’s access.”

Sources privy to the whole episode say that Punjab government faced strenuous pressure in the beginning from the federal government through bureaucratic channels but it diminished after the arrest of Raymond.

“The federal government first applied pressure through Federal Interior Secretary Qamar Zaman on the Punjab Home Secretary,” said a highly informed source who has been in the picture throughout. Initially the federal secretary warned against registering the FIR against Raymond but it was done. At the next step, the home secretary was asked not to order his arrest but in vain. After failing in these efforts and gauging public reaction on this triple murder at the hands of US diplomats, the federal government started exercising caution, said the source.

The News called the federal interior secretary and also dropped messages for his version but he did not respond. According to the officials privy to Raymond’s case, the American charged in double murder case has been kept in Chong Police Training Centre. “Our foremost concern was his security lest he might be killed by police itself. Keeping in view this concern, the inner ring of the security guards deputed for Raymond has been kept unarmed.”


who wouldn't be nervous?

[Demon of Undoing]

Oh , he's dead or worse the moment the thought enters the mind of anyone significant .

You know , this might be our moment of empire. This could be the situation that makes us finally say out loud and with bare faces , " Screw you . We are the US " . That would be the end of the republic, because from that moment on, we'd have to run it like the Romans . It looks like that's what is happening right now . The fact that they are going to bat for him is just amazing me . It's not because Obama doesn't want to hang an officer and a gentleman out to dry . I got to thinking maybe they are afraid of what the guy may spill .

As to the madrassa photos , that's the only thing that really gives me pause on this. I can literally come up with an explanation for everything else ( BTW, I counted the " bucket of high powered bullets" that they intimated were somehow separated by which was for what pistol , when all were just 9mm JHP. There were ~64 rounds. If I have a Beretta with a spare mag, one in the weapon +1 in the pipe, plus two full Glock mags, allowing for eight rounds fired , that comes out near right. He didn't have storehouses of ammo, he had normal load . Actually, one mag short on the Beretta , which leads me to think he didn't go out expecting trouble ) . I have carried that many rifle rounds and that many mags casually and unwittingly before , too - in a go bag pressed into duty as a range bag , where I forgot a faulty in a side pocket and left loose ammo clattering around in a Ziploc . Note he was not carrying an AR . I'm wondering if he didn't just grab a E& E bag ( which would also explain the spare pistol, BTW) and walk out the door . If someone brought me down with my EDC , it'd take some explaining . If they got the narrative juicy enough, I could no defend, like Mr Miyagi say .

But those madrassa photos, that gets me . The only thing that comes to mind is that he was doing the tourist thing ( " Hey honey, this is the place where they want to skin Americans and then burn them. And then this here is the place where they want to burn Americans , and then skin them ") . I don't think we need to mention how big a fail that is in tradecraft, enough that it is as implausible as the idea that he might have shot the ISI guys because he saw they had guns . That's not worth pegging the needle , not there , not as hung out as he was .There are lots of reasons someone might be armed in that environment , and even armed and following him. Embassy people get tailed all the time, like every day . It's not worth shooting someone in the back and then finishing them off on the deck . In this, I think , we are getting serious sensationalism . I have seen shootings with my own eyes that, when the reports were finished looked like something that flat didn't happen . In that environment, I can throw them farther than I trust them .

Either way, both of those two things, the photos and the ( reported) reason for shooting, are so anomalous as to point to something way , way out of the normal in a larger picture . Those sorts of errors are inconceivably inept . This wasn't a 19 year old private . It also wasn't just some steroid chomping rentamerc . This guy is important enough to have Sec State strapping on sixguns . If he had road rage , they would be sending him attorney referrals, not appeals for diplomatic immunity. I also doubt they would have rolled a QRF ( 50 to one the driver was of Baghdad '04 vintage and was driving using Route Irish rules ) .

But something is no doubt up . Garde-a' -vous .

[skyhook77sfg]

what you were thinking about WHAT HE MIGHT SPILL IS WHY SECoS pamties are wadded up into a worldclass wedgie....

and can you imagine the looks around the table when somebody asks what if they waterboard him ....

or start the 24 hr sleep deprivation naked cold and strobes going off to Wahlid Mustafas Metallic Grunge Group at 120 db......

hey get me jsoc on the secure line now....

whats the status of combat applications group forward base...

how about devgru...

no can do?

WTF


whats the point of having all this fine miltary when we cant use them?

FUBAR


sonofa....

we're f***ed...........

[YMix]

This is getting more interesting by the minute.

[Tinker]

[Caskhades]

Seconding Ymix. I'm a very intersted lurker here.

[CgDs]

[Azrael]

[Demon of Undoing]

[skyhook77sfg]

According to diplomatic sources in Washington the wife and two teenaged children of Davis approached Pakistan’s embassy in Washington to apply for visas to visit Pakistan. The Davis family had travelled from Florida to Washington and besides Davis’ wife there is a teenaged boy and girl.

Sources maintain that they have been guided by the embassy that they were free to travel to Islamabad and receive visas on arrival. This facilitation has been availed of by many Americans including Americans of Pakistani origin in the past.

“However, as yet the family is undecided about travelling to Pakistan and the recent PIA situation is of no help either,” say our sources. The Foreign Office could not confirm either the arrival of Haqqani or Mrs Davis.

According to information sent to The News from PakNationlists, the wife of Davis told 9News, a local TV station in Colorado that her husband had given her a name and telephone number in case anything happened to him.

“The name is that of a CIA spokesperson and the number is in Washington, DC. Calls to that number were not returned Wednesday,” reported The Denver Post .....


SORRY WRONG NUMBER

NOBODY HERE BY THAT NAME

THEY MOVED SOME TIME AGO

SOME ISLAND IN THE BAHAMAS

[Azrael]