The Israel Thread

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Netanyahu reported unhappy with US President statement calling for two states based on 1967 borders.

Maybe somebody should ask MIT grad Benyamin for his map of Israel's borders.

Nachal Mitzrayim ("River of Egypt") to Perath (Euphrates)?

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Making a speech about Israel/Palestine is the most thankless activity a US President can engage in. Ever since the Obama speech all I've heard is outrage from both Zionists and Palestinian activists. No compromises looming here.

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Michelle Bachmann getting mystical about ,

"I am convinced in my heart and in my mind that if the United States fails to stand with Israel, that is the end of the United States . . . [W]e have to show that we are inextricably entwined, that as a nation we have been blessed because of our relationship with Israel, and if we reject Israel, then there is a curse that comes into play. And my husband and I are both Christians, and we believe very strongly the verse from Genesis [Genesis 12:3], we believe very strongly that nations also receive blessings as they bless Israel. It is a strong and beautiful principle."

Seems Fundamentalism still has influential backers in the US.

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quite so CS...

seems Ayeh Asher Ea/El Shaddai/Elohim/Iaoue/Jahweh has yet to complete anger management and more divine wrath destruction and death is in the offing.

as to the current so called rift between the former US democracy and the ME ethnocracy....

pure theater designed to take the edge off universal perception of US congress control by AIPAC money...

nothing has changed....

US and Israeli irrational whackos still marching to armegeddon.

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MAYBE THIS SHOULD GO IN THE IS OBAMA RELEVANT THREAD

YOU DECIDE

WASHINGTON — Five days ago, during a closed-door meeting with a group of Middle East experts, administration officials, and journalists, King Abdullah II of Jordan gave his assessment of how Arabs view the debate within the Obama administration over how far to push Israel on concessions for peace with the Palestinians.
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From the State Department, “we get good responses,” the Jordanian king said, according to several people who were in the room. And from the Pentagon, too. “But not from the White House, and we know the reason why is because of Dennis Ross” — President Obama’s chief Middle East adviser.

Mr. Ross, King Abdullah concluded, “is giving wrong advice to the White House.”

During the administration’s debates over the past several months, Mr. Ross made clear that he was opposed to having Mr. Obama push Israel by putting forth a comprehensive American plan for a peace deal with the Palestinians, according to officials involved in the debate.

George J. Mitchell, who was Mr. Obama’s special envoy to the Middle East, backed by Secretary of State Hillary Rodham Clinton, argued in favor of a comprehensive American proposal that would include borders, security and the fate of Jerusalem and refugees. But Mr. Ross balked, administration officials said, arguing that it was unwise for the United States to look as if it were publicly breaking with Israel.

Mr. Netanyahu and Israel’s backers in the United States view Mr. Ross as a key to holding at bay what they see as pro-Palestinian sympathies expressed by Mr. Mitchell; Mr. Obama’s first national security adviser, Gen. James L. Jones; and even the president himself.


By almost all accounts, Dennis B. Ross — Middle East envoy to three presidents, well-known architect of incremental and painstaking diplomacy in the Middle East that eschews game-changing plays — is Israel’s friend in the Obama White House and one of the most influential behind-the-scenes figures in town.

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/05/21/world ... ss&emc=rss



SO WHO IS THIS MAN DENNIS ROSS AND WHOSE MAN IS HE?


M.J. Rosenberg - said on January 14..


If anyone was wondering why the Obama administration's policy on Israel-Palestine is such an epic fail, look no further than today's Forward.

Nathan Guttman, one of the best reporters on all matters Middle East/Washington, reveals that the problem is that Dennis Ross -- former chief of AIPAC's think-tank, the Washington Institute For Near East Policy -- has squeezed out former Senator George Mitchell, the President's Special Envoy to the Middle East.

And there's your problem. Mitchell achieved peace in Northern Ireland during a few years as President Clinton's envoy to that war zone. Ross achieved, uh, very little during three administrations as a Middle East peacemaker.

So why is he at the White House? Here is Guttman.

Ross' strong ties to Israel now make him indispensable to the administration. Those ties include his previous role as head of the Jewish People Policy Institute, a Jerusalem-based think tank founded by the Jewish Agency for Israel. His son, Gabe, is also married to an Israeli. These factors, together with Ross's strong personal sense of Jewish identity, have gained him a reputation of being pro-Israeli.

And this quote from the ADL's Abe Foxman which sums it up.

"Dennis is the closest thing you'll find to a melitz yosher, as far as Israel is concerned," said the Anti-Defamation League's national director, Abraham Foxman, who used the ancient Hebrew term for "advocate."

Think about it.. The lobby considers the guy in charge of US policy toward Israel an "advocate" for Israel, which he is. (Foxman's honesty is a rare delight).

Bottom line. The Obama administration views impeccable AIPAC credentials as a plus in a Middle East "mediator." It doesn't want an honest broker. It doesn't want a broker at all.

It wants, and it has, what former State Department official, Aaron Miller, described as "Israel's lawyer." Except Ross didn't go to law school.


EVERYBODY KNOWS WHAT'S GOING ON BUT FEW DARE CALL THE EMPORER NAKED...


`I don't understand you,' said Alice. `It's dreadfully confusing!'

`That's the effect of living backwards,' the Queen said kindly: `it always makes one a little giddy at first --'

`Living backwards!' Alice repeated in great astonishment. `I never heard of such a thing!'

`-- but there's one great advantage in it, that one's memory works both ways.'

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Moshe , it ain't workin .. still time to pack and leave .. don't listen to the crooks (BiBi & Lieberman idiot)


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sensing things .. but .. they 4getting , this thing no more in Pali hand .. quite a few other guys sitting @ the table .. too little too late


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VOICE OF THE UNCHOSEN

We Jerusalem residents live under the threat of losing our Jerusalem ID cards if the Israeli authorities find out that we have a house in the Palestinian West Bank. In effect, this means we are not allowed to live in the West Bank. But it is not at all easy for us to buy or rent a property to live in inside Israel – the laws of the apartheid state of Israel make it extremely hard to obtain a permit to build a house, or renovate an already existing house anywhere. All around Eastern Jerusalem, residents struggle to obtain building permits to fit their new family members in, while a Jewish person can easily obtain a permit and build a whole residential compound to fit few family members. All of this, I believe, is a part of the plan to ethnically cleanse Jerusalem and Palestine of all Arabs, Muslims and Christians alike.

On the other hand, carrying the Jerusalem ID does not allow us to obtain any other worldwide nationality! If Israeli apartheid authorities find out that a person with a Jerusalem ID has a foreign passport (For example: Canadian or American), they will take away his ID, deport him, and confiscate his property.

The racial bias is extremely annoying. Jewish citizens of Israel are permitted to carry many foreign passports and nationalities along with his Israeli passport. An Israeli Jew might carry an American passport, a German passport, a French passport, and a Belgium passport along with his Israeli passport, while an Arab citizen carrying a Jerusalem ID is not able to even carry a Palestinian passport or a full Israeli passport, as if we are non-existent humans. Further, the Israeli government claims that settlements are needed to supply room for “natural growth” (increasing family size) and the increasing Jewish population; yet the increase of the Arab population is not met with any extra housing of any type. Arabs are not even allowed to add an extra room to their houses due to Israeli laws.

My father has always told me our struggle with holding this identification card is a struggle of existence. Giving up this ID card to move somewhere else would be giving up our eternal right in the land of Palestine and Jerusalem. Jerusalem was never meant to be for any specific people, race, or religion. Jerusalem is the holy city that accepts people from all around the globe and from all different religions!

I will not accept being treated as an inferior citizen, I demand equality in living. Jerusalem is my city, I am an existing human being who demands human rights, as any other citizen living in any other country in the world. Palestinians exist. We have the right to exist and travel freely in our land without worrying every minute about being expelled just for where we have chosen to live.

Jalal Abukhater is a 16-year old resident of East Jerusalem. He is a high school senior at a school in Ramallah. You can follow him on twitter @JalalAK_jojo

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have you ever suspected azari - that instead of the jews playing the anglosphere - that the anglosphere plays the jews.

if "israel" hadnt of been created at the end of ww2 to keep the middle east in chaos, divide and conquer style, maybe "kurdistan" would have been.

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ARCHEOLOGY AS AN EXTENSION OF TRIBAL WARFARE....


In a country guided by ethno-nationalism, an excavation site is rarely ever just about archaeology.

The village of At-Tuwani, in the West Bank’s south Hebron hills, rises above Israeli route 60 as you come down from the city of Yatta with unmistakable roundness. It’s smooth shape is a telltale sign of centuries, if not millennia, of human habitation. The village wraps around Tel Tuwani, a hill that has slowly grown as one layer of life has replaced the next. Some are readily visible. Old cave homes now serve as animal stables, several feet below the current road level, with homes made of large stones above them. The concrete homes of a new generation are being built yet another layer up. Old Roman-era tombs and wine presses are often visible on this hill and the hills nearby where villagers graze their sheep and goats.

Now some of these layers are being stripped away, inspected, and studied. A Byzantine era church, long known by the residents, begins to take shape. Mosaic floors appear in the dirt where before sheep gathered to be watered. The traditional taboun (clay oven), where the owner of this land makes bread, is suddenly surrounded by an excavation site. For the archaeology buff, it’s fascinating. But it has the Palestinian residents on edge, because the digging is being done by the Israeli Civil Administration (the Israeli military government arm in the Occupied Territories), and like anything else in the West Bank, ownership of land and the heritage buried beneath is rarely straightforward.

“They’re looking for ancient Israeli things,” says a woman on whose land the dig is taking place. “People are worried that if they find something Jewish, what happened in Susiya could happen here.”

Susiya, the name of both a nearby Palestinian village and an adjacent Israeli settlement, is a good example of the politics that often accompany archaeology in Israel/Palestine. The settlement was started in 1983, near the Palestinian village of the same name. Three years later, the Palestinian village was demolished and its residents evicted to make way for an archaeological park because excavations had uncovered the ruins of a synagogue that dated from between the 4th and 7th centuries AD.

The villagers returned but their houses were demolished again. Houses and caves belonging to the Palestinian residents have been demolished on five occasions. They now live in tents, scattered around the Israeli settlement and archaeological park, each family on its own land and are subject to regular attacks and harassment by Israeli settlers as well as the threat of a further eviction.

http://972mag.com/new-excavation-site-i ... s-on-edge/

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