Bin Laden Dead?

[Hoosiernorm]

[Demon of Undoing]

[AzariLoveIran]

[Colonel Sun]

[monster_gardener]

[AzariLoveIran]

[Demon of Undoing]

FN to above , because having it look like a rag on Rangers is bothering my conscience. As well , a limitation of the SEALs .

In Panama , at Padilla airfield , the SEALs were tasked with disabling Noriega's Gulfstream , but due to command screwups wound up assaulting into the teeth of a prepared MP company or some such ( memory fails). As a result , it was the worst single day loss of SEALs to that point. A company or two of Rangers would have been ideal for the role. Airfield seizure , with minimal infrastructure damage , is a core mission for them. They could have even likely jumped in , an insertion method that is mostly useless in the modern world.

Rant off.

[AzariLoveIran]

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Paul Craig Roberts, former Assistant Secretary of the US Treasury








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[skyhook77sfg]

Pakistan and al Qaeda


A classified document used by military and intelligence officials in the determination of a Guantanamo detainee's linkages to al Qaeda and associated movements lists the intelligence services of Pakistan, Iran, and Yemen as "associated forces" known to support al Qaeda and allied movements, including the Taliban.

The document, titled "Matrix of Threat Indicators for Enemy Combatants," was one of more than 700 documents released to select news agencies by WikiLeaks. The document has been published by The New York Times.

On pages 16 and 17, the document lists the "Pakistani Inter-Service Intelligence Directorate," "Iranian Intelligence," and "Yemeni Intelligence [PSO]" as "associated forces ... with which al Qaeda, the al Qaeda network, or the Taliban had or has an established working, supportive, or beneficiary relationship for the achievement of common goals."

"Through associations with these groups and organizations, a detainee may have provided support to al Qaeda or the Taliban, or engaged in hostilities against US or Coalition forces," the document continued.

The intelligence service of Pakistan is listed among numerous terror groups and entities such as nongovernmental organizations that have been designated by the US government and the United Nations. The Muslim Brotherhood is also listed in the document among the entities that support al Qaeda.

Pakistan's military and its intelligence service, the Inter-Services Intelligence Directorate, are known to harbor and support various Taliban and allied groups who carry out attacks against US and NATO forces in Afghanistan. The Pakistani government has allowed and aided the Afghan Taliban, the Haqqani Network, and several Pakistani Taliban groups, to organize in Pakistan's cities and border areas. Also, terror groups such as the Lashkar-e-Taiba, the Jaish-e-Mohammad, and the Harkat-ul-Jihad-i-Islami receive direct support. These terror groups are allied with al Qaeda and support their local and global operations.

Pakistan has been considered by the US government to be key in the war against al Qaeda and allied movements. The disclosure of the Matrix of Threat Indicators for Enemy Combatants is likely to contribute to the continuing souring of relations between the US and Pakistan.


AS PREVIOUSLY ADVISED IN THIS THREAD AND OTHERS THE CURRENT CENTER MASS OF GLOBAL SECURITY THREATS IS PAKISTAN

For gitmo document details:

www.nytimes.com/interactive/2011/04/24/ ... .html#doc2

[skyhook77sfg]

DEMON'S rundown on Rangers accurate.

Also well informed on Marine FAST Company.

SEAL Team 6, DEVGRU is USG dedicated antiterrorist asset and highly proficient in spite of FAST Marine's calling them protein powder fags.

There are however other less publicized units that have the same if not greater abilities that may or may not have also been part of OBL takedown.

But when the Chairman Joint Chiefs of Staff is a sailor and the Commander Joint Special Operations Command is Navy blue too...

[Ibrahim]

[skyhook77sfg]

You might recall Delta Force which started out as US Army Special Forces Operational Detachment Delta and has been renamed Combat Applications Group.

Another is Intelligence Support Activity.

The others are even less publicized because even their existence is classified.

[Demon of Undoing]

Absolutely. Those are the other tier one types , but those of us on the outside sorta just have to stop at " Delta" . They predate Six , and honestly have the better justification for their existence. RAdm Crowe wanted Navy to have an oar in the water back in 1979 , and there you go. Adm MacRaven is as good a man as we have , but he is certainly not above a spot of interservice rivalry. I can't speak to now really , but historically , USASF has had the closest relationship to the Agency. By all rights , Delta probably should have had this.

Good to see you back, skyhook. What's next ? Plague of locusts ?

[skyhook77sfg]

good to be back DEMON and find you keeping the record straight.

no plagues on my horizon...the opposite in fact.

trust all is well with you and your'n.

[Mr. Perfect]

[skyhook77sfg]

do all perverts involuntarily sexualize non sexual material or is it just pedophiles who exhibit such deviant thought process?

anybody know any FBI profilers who could provide insight into known criminal behaviour?

[Tinker]

[Colonel Sun]

[Demon of Undoing]

[Mr. Perfect]

[Mr. Perfect]

[skyhook77sfg]

Hot pursuit of Al Qaeda leadership into Pakistan with or without Paki permission is the only campaign promise Obama has fulfilled.

And the operations plan was brilliant.

Audace...toujours l'audace.

Bravo Barak.

for a change.

The Cheney Bush administration let OBL escape (Operation Anaconda, Tora Bora)

If not intentional, gross negligence.

if intentional, treasonous.

[Demon of Undoing]

[skyhook77sfg]

do remember that you are through the looking glass here...





According to the media reports number of residents of the Bilal Town, Abbottabad revealed that the operation was

conducted with the help of Pakistani security and intelligence agencies. The inhabitants of the area of operation

have also confirmed that troops participating in the operation were fluently speaking Pashto (official provincial

language).

On May 5, 2011 Pakistan Army chief General Ashfaq Pervez Kayani chaired a meeting 138th Corps Commanders

Conference. In addition to the military to military relation between U.S and Pakistan, the conference deliberated

the presence and killing of Osama bin Laden in Abbottabad. The respective authorities have also admitted their

shortfalls in this operation. The conference has highlighted that the achievements of Inter-Services Intelligence

(ISI), against Al Qaeda and its terrorist affiliates in Pakistan, have no parallel.

The participants of the conference were briefed that around 100 top level Al Qaeda leaders / operators were killed

/ arrested by ISI, with or without support of CIA. However, in the case of Osama Bin Laden, while the CIA

developed intelligence based on initial information provided by ISI, it did not share further development of

intelligence on the case with ISI, contrary to the existing practice between the two services.

At this occasion General Kayani assured that that any similar action, violating the sovereignty of Pakistan, will

warrant a review on the level of military / intelligence cooperation with the United States. The Corps Commanders

were informed about the decision to reduce the strength of US military personnel in Pakistan to the minimum

essential. In response to Indian Interior Minister Statement, the conference made it clear that any "misadventure"

by the Indian military will be responded to very strongly.

The conferences ruled out the possibility of similar hostile action against our strategic assets and reaffirmed

that, unlike an undefended civilian compound, our strategic assets are well protected and an elaborate defensive

mechanism is in place.

According to the credible sources, ISI chief Lt. Gen. Ahmed Shuja Pasha personally delivers threat to CIA

Islamabad station Chief Mark Carlton: "We will declare we are out of your war on terror and ask you to move all

your assets out of from Pakistan, CIA is penetrating Pakistan government".

Moreover, Obama has openly announced that very categorically that the operation would have not been possible

without the assistance of Pakistan. The residents of the targeted area have also revealed that ambulance and

military troops have cordoned the compound during the operation. Thus, it is evident from the above discussion

that intelligence about Osama was provided by Pakistan but final operation was carried out unilaterally by the

U.S.


http://www.paktribune.com/news/index.shtml?239067


care for a bit of red herring?

[Demon of Undoing]

I will attempt optimism.