Big Idea For Islam From Egypt

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The Americans have not been the only ones squirming in discomfort at the uncertainty heralded by the decline of the Mubarak regime. Ten days into the protests the Grand Mufti of Saudi Arabia Sheikh Abdul Aziz Al-Sheikh condemned the Egyptian protesters.

In a statement widely quoted in newspapers around the Arab world he called the protests “chaotic acts” carried out by “enemies of Islam” to “divide the Muslim world”. The religious leader was speaking after Friday services in Riyadh on the same day that protesters in Tahrir Square had called for a ‘day of departure’ asking people to join protests after the Friday congregational prayers.

The Grand Mufti is not the only religious cleric to follow the political authority of rulers. Saeed Amer, a leading religious scholar at Al-Azhar University in Cairo and head of the fatwa committee, told an Egyptian newspaper that protests are forbidden in Islam. He said, “As for peaceful demonstrations they are rejected in Islam as Islam has never witnessed such a phenomenon.”

This stance on the part of the Al-Azhar University stems from the head of the institution being appointed by the Mubarak government, and hence the belief in kowtowing to its political demands.

While the denouement of the crisis and the impending ouster of the Mubarak regime are causing some Al-Azhar clerics to distance themselves from the regime, the Saudi case presents a deeper dilemma. The Grand Mufti enjoys a close relationship with the Saudi monarchy. In the particular case, Sheikh Abdul Aziz was appointed in 1999 after the death of his predecessor Sheikh Abdul Aziz bin Baz. Holding the position for over a decade, he has issued fatwas on a variety of subjects including the permissibility of child marriage for girls.

Given his relationship with the Saudi monarchy, the statements by the Grand Mufti pertain just as much to the local challenges faced by the Saudi regime as to the events in Egypt. While it is unlikely that widespread protests such as the ones in Egypt will spread to Saudi Arabia, recent events indicate festering resentment that is unprecedented in the country.


The protests in Egypt have laid bare these political manipulations that maintain theocracies like Saudi Arabia and Iran under the guise of religious sanction. In refusing to follow the edicts of Al-Azhar or the Grand Mufti of Saudi Arabia, Egyptians and by their example other Muslims around the world have learned that they can oppose religious leaders without denouncing religion.

It is in fact this final development that is most troubling for theocracies such as Saudi Arabia. When the Muslim public realises that opposing religious clerics does not amount to giving up religion itself, it becomes exceedingly challenging for self-styled Islamic regimes to justify mute acceptance of anything presented in the guise of faith.

While the ultimate outcome of the Egyptian uprising is as yet unknown it marks the development of a modern discourse of dissent within Islam as its most welcome gift. The protesters in Tahrir Square have defied the muftis and both prayed and protested creating a political position that has been heretofore unknown and whose time has finally come.



excerpt from:
http://www.dawn.com/2011/02/09/the-saudi-dilemma.html
by rafia zakaria

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Islam, in reality, a revolutionary doctrine .. rising against injustice # 1 duty of ..

Look skyhook, those Al-Azhar clerics are in reality government employee .. in Turkey even a law .. Islam they represent is GUCCI Islam .. in strict term those Saudi and Kuwaiti and Gatari Sheichs are the demons Moh was fighting .. how can a Sheikh have a private B474 but 5 miles away people die from hunger just because they on the other side of the line Brits draw on the sand ? ? Islam says, as long as your Muslim neighbor is hungry, you can not this and that ..

.. this no new phenomena with Arabs .. most Khalifa dynasty were utterly evil, not at all in the spirit of Moh ..


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[Ibrahim]

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really...just a whisper and its done?

SO HOW COME RUSHDIE IS STILL AROUND?

guess instead of death fatwah heard around the world, somebody should have whispered ....

[AzariLoveIran]

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well well welll...

never expected to hear orwellian government speak from holy men...

will wonders never cease.

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ATTENTION ALL CLASH OF CIVILIZATION CHEERLEADERS....



CAIRO: If the popular revolts that have rocked Tunisia and Egypt gain momentum and spread across the Middle East, they could strike a catastrophic blow to Al Qaeda’s violent ideology, experts say.

While some in the West fear pro-democracy protests in the Arab world could see authoritarian secular regimes overthrown by equally hardline
Islamists, other observers say the movements pose a far greater threat to jihadi militants.

Groups like Osama bin Laden’s Al Qaeda have long preached that peaceful protest is useless in the face of autocracy. They condemn electoral
politics and urge Muslims to use violence to combat injustice and oppression.

But if street protests in Tunisia can force a dictator into exile and in Cairo can force a regime to promise free elections and sit down with its opponents, why should angry young Arabs turn to bombs and guns?


“It is a dangerous mistake for the jihadists to separate from the peoples,” wrote radical cyber-preacher Abu Mundhir al-Shanqiti in an online sermon monitored by the US-based SITE online terrorism watchdog.

“We should forgive them, get closer to them and beg them to listen to us, because separating the jihadi movement from the popular Muslim movement is the end of this movement,” he warned his followers.—AFP

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november 6 1978.....


“I commit myself to make up for past mistakes, to fight corruption and injustices and to form a national government to carry out free elections.”


shahenshah king of kings his imperial majesty Pahlavi


son of sergeant "machine gun" reza khan pahlavi

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WELL THERE YOU HAVE IT....

whole world watching in wonder at human progress ( minus the creators and perpetuators of defamatory stereotypes for the residents of lands they wish to control)

the undoing of arrogant machinations going back to sykes/picot and up to this day in artifcially subdivided lands of others from tangiers to tienshan begins...

the toppling of treasonous elites feeding gluttonously in secret from foreign troughs aand fattening numbered accounts in distant islands and mountains

while their countrymen struggle to find the daily bread becoming impossibly dear from the machinations of distant parasites free to game a crumbling system...BE CHAN

WHERE WILL CRIES OF FREEDOM FREEDOM FREEDOM BREAK OUT NEXT?


perhaps the royal white dishdashahs are being soiled yellow and brown as we speak here:


Saudi Arabia's King Abdullah told U.S. President Barack Obama that his country would prop up Egyptian President Hosni Mubarak’s regime if the United States withdrew its financial support of Cairo, The Times said on Thursday.

and then...



Saudis bid to form 1st political party

Nine activists in Saudi Arabia have announced the formation of the first political party in the country, amid ongoing revolutions and pro-democracy protests in other Arab countries. The move comes despite the kingdom's ban on forming political parties.

The founders of the “Islamic Umma Party” have conveyed a statement to King Abdullah asking him to recognize the group, AFP reported on Thursday.

“It is not hidden from you that the Islamic world has seen great political developments and the strengthening of freedoms and human rights, which Islam already approves ... It is now time for the kingdom to keep pace with this development and contribute to it,” a copy of the letter published on the their website reads.

“We have established the Islamic Umma Party to contribute to forwarding the peaceful political reform movement, to which all the people look forward,” the statement adds.

The nine founders, who are lawyers, businessmen, professors and political activists, believe in “freedom,” “political pluralism, and the peaceful transfer of power, and the right of the (Islamic) nation to choose its governments,” it says.

Sheikh Mohammed al-Qahtani, a founder of the party, says the formation of the party “was a natural response to the development of the political situation in the region and the development of political action in the kingdom.”

“The time has come to approve political rights and launch general freedoms, especially to approve the right of the people to elect the Shura Council and the creation of legislation to govern all these political rights," Qahtani added.

Saudi Arabia does not have a parliament. Instead, it has a consultative Shura Council, which is totally an appointed body, aimed at providing the king with consultations on policies, laws, and other matters.

followed by

Turki bin Abdul Aziz Al Saud, a prominent dissident now in exile in Cairo, issued an open letter to his fellow royals, urging them to abandon their desert fiefdom for greener pastures. According to the prince, the current social compact between the House of Saud and its subjects had become untenable, with the government no longer able to "impose" its writ on the people and growing grassroots discontent at the royals "interfering in people's private life and restricting their liberties." His advice? That King Abdullah and his coterie flee the Kingdom before they are overthrown--and before their opponents "cut off our heads in streets."

LOT OF HEADS REQUIRE REPOSITIONING

4000 DEGENERATE ROYAL PRINCES LAST COUNT

COULD TAKE WHILE BUT ITS COMING INSHALLAH

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With what?

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This thread now retitled to:


BIG IDEA FOR IRAN FROM EGYPT*



*does not include rampaging horsemen and camelisti

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