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Obama- No Miranda Rights for Terror Suspects

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Obama- No Miranda Rights for Terror Suspects

Postby Ammianus » Fri Mar 25, 2011 8:18 pm

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Re: Obama- No Miranda Rights for Terror Suspects

Postby skyhook77sfg » Sat Mar 26, 2011 1:55 am

There's more....


A further twist to the Obama Doctrine is the breaking of a taboo that the Bush administration balked at – the concept of treating US citizens outside of the US constitutional process. During the Bush era, the treatment of detainees such as John Walker Lindh, Yasser Hamdi and Jose Padilla showed reluctance by officials to treat their own nationals in the way it had all those of other nationalities (by, for instance, sending them to Guantánamo Bay and other secret prisons). The policy of discrimination reserved for US citizens showed that there was a line the US was not willing to cross.

At least, today, we can strike discrimination off the list of grievances against the current president. The National Security Council of the US has now given specific permission to the CIA to target certain US citizens as part of counter-terrorism operations. Specifically, Anwar al-Awlaki has been singled out for such treatment, as it has been claimed that he was directly involved in the planning of the Major Hasan Nidal killings and the Christmas Day bomber attacks. Indeed, it is claims such as this that bring the entire concept of targeted assassinations into question. The US would like us to believe that we should simply trust that they have the relevant evidence and information to justify such a killing, without bringing the individual to account before a court.

The assumption that trust should be extended to a government that has involved itself in innumerable unlawful and unconscionable practices since the start of the war on terror is too much to ask. Whatever goodwill the US government had after 9/11 was destroyed by the way in which it prosecuted its wars. Further, the hope that came with the election of Barack Obama has faded as his policies have indicated nothing more than a reconfiguration of the basic tenet of the Bush Doctrine – that the US's national security interests supersede any consideration of due process or the rule of law. The only difference – witness the rising civilian body count from drone attacks – being that Obama's doctrine is even more deadly.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree ... guantanamo


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Re: Obama- No Miranda Rights for Terror Suspects

Postby AzariLoveIran » Sun Mar 27, 2011 5:38 pm

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Elite, governments, rulers, Kings and and, by definition, subverter of those goodies .. human right, constitution and things of that nature .. that is why 5th amendment.

Issue is, why American public has become numb to eroding of those goodies ..

Bush says constitution just a paper, or American supreme court does not object to a law that makes 2 sort of human beings in America .. the Patriot act eliminating human rights to non American citizens (similar to Hitler Germany and Spartan and Athens) .. why American public does stay silent ? ?

In that context, tragedy is, America, American public, mindset moving further and further from those noble stuff, human rights, civil rights, equality of religion and race and and.

Why this happening to American people ? why American people moving away from those things ?

Well .. ask and I will say why


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Re: Obama- No Miranda Rights for Terror Suspects

Postby skyhook77sfg » Sun Mar 27, 2011 5:57 pm

why?
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