Ron Paul for 2012 White House

[Mr. Perfect]

[Tinker]

[Mr. Perfect]

[skyhook77sfg]

REFRESHER COURSE

Col. Wilkerson is a rare man of conscience who speaks with gravitas and frankness. The fact that Powell selected him to be his chief of staff is proof that Powell is not all bad. He has good in him.

Some men are beyond redemption. Who can’t be forgiven are Dick Cheney, Donald Rumsfeld, Richard Perle, Paul Wolfowitz, Elliott Abrams and that whole crazy gang of neocons. Those men are evil to the core and should have been ran out of town in the 1980s after doing enough damage to America. Instead, Cheney, Rumsfeld, and that band of thieves were left alone around the wheels of power to conspire against the U.S. constitution and the American people. They seized the dark heart of the American empire and made it even darker and more heartless.


Col. Wilkerson is not the only military official who thinks Cheney and Rumsfeld were bad for America. General Hugh Shelton, who served as the Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff from 1997 to 2001, said that Rumsfeld is basically a lying son of a bitch. General Wesley Clark is also very vocal in his criticism of Rumsfeld, Cheney, and the neocons. Gen. Clark knew about the neocon’s agenda for the Middle East early on and informed the Democracy Now audience about it in March of 2007. His comments were too little too late because the damage was already done by then, but better late than never. At least Gen. Clark has spoken out in public about the truth behind America’s wars in Iraq, Afghanistan, and the entire Middle East.

It is great to see men of high rank tell the ugly truths about power and politics in public. It is a tragedy of history that evil men like Cheney, Rumsfeld, and Wolfowitz are more ambitious and active than good men in the political arena. These are men who have never sacrificed for America, and don’t give a damn about the safety, and well-being of the American people.

Cheney and Rumsfeld got ahead in the mega-powerful American empire because evil people know better than anyone else how to manipulate others and that is what power is all about at the end of the day.

But never forget that Cheney and Rumsfeld are just the products of an evil and crazy system. They are not the problem, they are the symptom. They are the thickest valves on the dark heart of the American empire that is soaked with the blood of hundreds of thousands of innocent people, including Americans who were murdered on 9/11.

Cheney, Rumsfeld, Feith, Abrams, Pipes, Perle, Wolfowitz, and the other freaks are scum who were able to rise because the political system in Washington has enabled scum to rise for a very long time. Corrupt and diabolical men like J. Edgar Hoover, Allen Dulles, James Angleton, George H. W. Bush, Dick Cheney, Donald Rumsfeld, Bill Clinton, and Barack Obama are all of the same crazy breed. All they know is how to lie and how to cheat the public to protect the evil interests of a rotten financial and military establishment that is based on the exploitation of the people of America.

ARE WE CLEAR?

Corrupt and diabolical men like J. Edgar Hoover, Allen Dulles, James Angleton, George H. W. Bush, Dick Cheney, Donald Rumsfeld, Bill Clinton, and Barack Obama

Corrupt and diabolical men like J. Edgar Hoover, Allen Dulles, James Angleton, George H. W. Bush, Dick Cheney, Donald Rumsfeld, Bill Clinton, and Barack Obama

Corrupt and diabolical men like J. Edgar Hoover, Allen Dulles, James Angleton, George H. W. Bush, Dick Cheney, Donald Rumsfeld, Bill Clinton, and Barack Obama


GOT IT?

[Mr. Perfect]

Go ahead and use your bandwidth to rehash the past, we'll go ahead and build the future.

[skyhook77sfg]

аппара́тчик

[Mr. Perfect]

Takes one to spot one.

[Tinker]

[Mr. Perfect]

Ask skyhook. I really don't know how rehashing Cheney/Halliburton/Chickenhawk for the millionth time bears on the mechanics of the debt limit. I'm perfectly capable of discussing the debt limit without rehashing say Waco, or Democrats voting to fund Iraq, or whatever. But skypilot keeps talking about Cheney/Halliburton/Chickenhawk.

In fact, it appears that those are things you would say when you can't argue the merits of what is being discussed.

[Tinker]

[skyhook77sfg]

of course you are right

but its important also to understand why GE hired a likeable middle american middle aged middle tier actor to play this role...

Ronnie and Neutron Jack are manifestations of the same force

one the public jellybeans and light and smiles and dawn of the age of arent we great...

and FIRE EM ALL jack welch , the other face of janus god of transitions and endings

[Mr. Perfect]

[Mr. Perfect]

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аппара́тчик

if you want to call common knowledge something other then common knowledge

please put an asterisk there so we know what youre talking about...

[Mr. Perfect]

[skyhook77sfg]

аппара́тчик


if your radical reactionary retrograde robber baron unamerican subversion of the economy isnt stopped

you will destroy what is left of the social fabric just like the same forces did in Germany post World War 1

the same Bush family that helped finance the party that led Germany into its grimmest period ever*

reappeared to lead the right wing of this nation in its current march to economic collapse


*How Bush's grandfather helped Hitler's rise to power | World news ...
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[Mr. Perfect]

Rabid DNC talking points, great job.

[skyhook77sfg]

George Herbert Walker And Prescott Bush
Funded And Directed The Military Industrial Complex
Behind Adolf Hitler And The Nazi Revolution


by Webster G. Tarpley and Anton Chaitkin
from George Bush: The Unauthorized Biography


The grandfather of President George Walker Bush (Skull & Bones, 1968) was Prescott Bush (Skull & Bones, 1917), and his great grand father was George Herbert Walker. Prescott Bush and George Herbert (Bert) Walker were directors of the London-affiliated New York banking house of Brown Brothers-Harriman and its various fronts, which funded and directed the military-industrial complex behind Hitler and the Nazi revolution.

In 1919, George Herbert Walker had organized W.A. Harriman & Co which merged with the British Brown Brothers in 1931. In 1924, Averell Harriman (Skull & Bones, 1913) and Fritz Thyssen, the German industrialist who began funding Hitler in 1923, set up the Union Banking Corp in New York to handle funds supplied to it through Thyssen's Dutch bank for American investment. Prescott Bush, who had been an officer of the W.A. Harriman bank since 1926, was a director of the Union Banking Corp from 1934 through 1943. According to government documents, "all of the shares of the Union Banking Corp., were held for the benefit of members of the Thyssen family."

The federal government did not crack down on the Bush-Harriman/Nazi operation until 1942. After the war, Congressional investigation revealed that Fritz Thyssen's German Steel Trust, Germany's largest industrial corporation [which interlocked with Union Banking Corporation] produced a high percentage of Germany's national output of metal products and explosives. Vesting Orders signed by the Office of Alien Property Custodian, Leo T. Crowley, which were "published in obscure government record books and kept out of the news, explained nothing about the Nazis involved; only that the Union Banking Corporation was run for the 'Thyssen family' of 'Germany and/or Hungary'-- 'nationals...of a designated enemy country.'"

"In October 1942, ten months after entering World War II, America was preparing its first assault against Nazi military forces. Prescott Bush was managing partner of Brown Brothers Harriman. His 18-year-old son George, the future U.S. President, had just begun training to become a naval pilot. On Oct. 20, 1942, the U.S. government ordered the seizure of Nazi German banking operations in New York City which were being conducted by Prescott Bush.

"Under the Trading with the Enemy Act, the government took over the Union Banking Corporation, in which Bush was a director. The U.S. Alien Property Custodian seized Union Banking Corp.'s stock shares, all of which were owned by Prescott Bush, E. Roland 'Bunny' Harriman, three Nazi executives, and two other associates of Bush.


George W. Bush's grandfather, Prescott Bush is indicted as the Manager of the Union Banking Corporation! He had to plead Nolo Contendre!

http://www.mbpolitics.com/Bush2000/VestingDetail.htm" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Here is the rest:

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For more info:

Former Federal Prosecutor John Loftus confirms the Bush-Nazi scandal
Copyright October 31. 2003

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"Instead of divesting the Nazi money," continue the authors, "Bush hired a lawyer to hide the assets. The lawyer he hired had considerable expertise in such underhanded schemes. It was Allen Dulles. According to Dulles's client list at Sullivan & Cromwell, his first relationship with Brown Brothers, Harriman was on June 18, 1936. In January 1937 Dulles listed his work for the firm as 'Disposal of Stan Investing stock.'

"As discussed in Chapter 3, Standard Oil of New Jersey had completed a major stock transaction with Dulles's Nazi client, I.G. Farben. By the end of January 1937 Dulles had merged all his cloaking activities into one client account: 'Brown Brothers Harriman-Schroeder Rock.' Schroeder, of course, was the Nazi bank on whose board Dulles sat. The 'Rock' were the Rockefellers of Standard Oil, who were already coming under scrutiny for their Nazi deals. By May 1939 Dulles handled another problem for Brown Brothers, Harriman, their 'Securities Custodian Accounts.'

"If Dulles was trying to conceal how many Nazi holding companies Brown Brothers, Harriman was connected with, he did not do a very good job. Shortly after Pearl Harbor, word leaked from Washington that affiliates of Prescott Bush's company were under investigation for aiding the Nazis in time of war. . . .

Once the government had its hands on Bush's books, the whole story of the intricate web of Nazi front corporations began to unravel. A few days later two of Union Banking's subsidiaries -- the Holland American Trading Corporation and the Seamless Steel Equipment Corporation -- also were seized. Then the government went after the Harriman Fifteen Holding Company, which Bush shared with his father-in-law, Bert Walker, the Hamburg-Amerika Line, and the Silesian-American Corporation. The U.S. government found that huge sections of Prescott Bush's empire had been operated on behalf of Nazi Germany and had greatly assisted the German war effort."


MORE ON BUSH FAMILY ETHICS AND THE SAUDI/BIN LADEN CONNECTION

Since he left office, ex-President and ex-CIA Director George H.W Bush, working as a consultant, has been using his influence and contacts for the Washington-based Carlyle Group, a $12 billion private equity firm and eleventh largest defense contractor in the U.S. Carlyle's portfolio is heavily invested in defense and telecommunications firms.The Bin Laden family has large investments in Carlyle. The New York Times has reported that former President George Bush met with the bin Laden family in Saudi Arabia in 1998 and 2000.

Bush senior's Carlyle connection means he is on the payroll of corporate interests that receive defense contracts from the U.S. government while his son is president. Charles Lewis of the Washington-based Center for Public Integrity, indicated that "in a really peculiar way, George W. Bush could, some day, benefit financially from his own administration's decisions, through his father's investments."

Bush Senior specializes in Saudi Arabia and therefore has a personal interest in the corrupt Saudi regime's survival and continued profitability. The public-interest law firm Judicial Watch earlier this year strongly criticized Bush senior for his ties with the Bin Laden family.

STILL PUZZLED WHY THE ONLY AIRCRAFT ALLOWED TO FLY THE DAY AFTER 911 TOOK OFF FOR SAUDI ARABIA FULL OF BIN LADEN FAMILY MEMBERS?

[Mr. Perfect]

I couldn't think of a more relevant post for a thread about Ron Paul that morphed into a thread about the debt ceiling. Keep 'em coming. Right out of the heart of leftism/Michael Moore came that one.

BTW, do you know where Ron Paul is on this issue? I do. He is on the side you have labeled and enemy of the state. He is on my side. The Republican side. The Conservative side. The Robber Baron side. The people you have labeled enemies of the state.

[skyhook77sfg]

аппара́тчик


only reason id vote for Paul ( and we will never be given that choice by your big money party)

is to eliminate the central planners at the privately owned bankster corporation that calls itself Federal Reserve

that is the biggest POnzi scheme ever on this planet to skim money off all our money before it ever leaves the premises

for some news on how this fraud on the american people is doing these days go to the obama 2012 thread

and see how they flushed $16 TRILLION DOWN THE CHENEY BUSH RATHOLE

[Mr. Perfect]

But Ron Paul is an enemy of the state. Don't you have certain obligations against enemies of the state?

[skyhook77sfg]

аппара́тчик

half right half wrong

you are right that Paul is an enemy of the state that was constructed in 1913

to prepare the US for the coming war arranged by financial powers....

the complete abdication of constitutionally delineated congressional DUTY

"to coin money and regulate the value thereof" by Rockefeller/Warburg/Rothschild interests

which designed and delivered the private corporation disguised as federal and a reserve

which became the de facto central planning mechanism of the US economy...

and the engineering of a SCOTUS decision reversing a dozen previous ones

that had declared any income tax unconstitutional and provided the wherewithal

to tax farm the US public for the first time in its history....


yest, Paul is an enemy of that state...


but only superficial or absent knowledge would state any officer of the United States

swears allegiance to a state... when in fact the oath of office is specifically to the constitution

so in reality it is an obligation to resist by all necessary means the actors who subvert or nullify the constitution

and that would clearly include the Jeffersonian remedy so often bandied about but never enacted.


Happy to provide your remedial civics lesson...

feel free to ask questions.

[the glowing carp]

Stewart on how MSM actively ignored Ron Paul, I'm starting to like the guy, he owned all the chickenhawks like Santorum the other day, he spoke more honestly about America's most recent pointless wars than any D I've heard recently.

[skyhook77sfg]

indeed a fine principled and honorable man....

as to why he has been on media ignore

lets trace that circuit back.....

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2011-08-1 ... -down.html

Swiss National Bank Vice President Thomas Jordan said the central bank is assessing “a whole range of options” to prevent the franc, which reached a record against the euro this month, from making Swiss goods prohibitively expensive. Even a cup of coffee at Cafe St. Gotthard in Zurich costs $8.30, with one Swiss franc buying $1.2816 at today’s exchange rate.

so how did the the dollar which Eisenhower era tourists could exchange for 4 Swiss francs now be worth less than one?

the answer is to be found in the year that has cost Americans more than any other in history...1913*


a $20 purchase in 1913 would today cost $456


an astronomical inflation rate of well over 20 00%....


that's a more than 95% decline in the value of a dollar since Congress sold their constitutionally mandated duty to "coin money and regulate thereof" to a group of private bankers incorported misleadingly as the US Federal Reserve.

in the old days debasing the currency was done by clipping gold coins

imagine a coin whittled down to only 6% of its former size....

that's what the Fed has pulled off by switching to paper.

proving you can fool the people for about 100 years.

and the absolute necessity to muzzle Congressman Ron Paul.


if they cant, he may be removed from the public arena

with "extreme prejudice" as was John Kennedy


BEWARE BANKSTERS AND PREDATORY FINANCIAL PARASITES
they do not relenquish their power without a fight


*1913 was also the year of the first Federal income tax
a tax which a dozen Supreme Court decisions
had previously declared unconstitutional

[Sparky]