Was Obama a mistake?

[Tinker]

[Yukon Cornelius]

The problem with Obama is that if he believed his campaign promises, he's a simpleton -- if he didn't, he's a lair.

"The rise of the oceans slowing" and so forth.


And the only difference, if McPalin had been elected, is that Gitmo, bodyscanners, and net neutrality would all be proof that he was "worse than Hitler" and "shredding the constitution." Personally planned, no doubt, "because he's so evil (or stupid, depending on the what's working that day)." Obama, in his latest round of picks for top posts -- once again went for industry insiders. Had McPalin done so, it would be a sign that the Republicans are in bed with big business, and that he hates black people.

There no there, here. We're trying to parse out a colossal game of ass-covering groupthink, pretending ANYTHING would be different. It's pointless -- the only thing that has "changed" is the spin on both sides.

[Yukon Cornelius]

[jerryberry]

[Mr. Perfect]

I think what is forgotten is how unlikable HRC was up till then. She genuinely now has the air of a victimized person, and as a liberal that's as good as it gets. Obama was unknown in IA, and was more of a Clinton fatigue reaction than anything Bam brought to the table (blank slate) and his good fortune of being unknown at the time of the Iraq War vote.

What is also forgotten is that HRC came quite close to stealing it back. If not for the super-delegates, a completely non-democratic mechanism, she probably would have won.

[anderson]

[Mr. Perfect]

[anderson]

I think you need to review the tapes. Obama got his early lead from the Caucuses, but these were ordinary delegates.
Hillary closed and yes go more votes eventually in total from the contests where there was a ballot vote. But unfortunately the Denocrat's primary was heavily weighted to the caucuses.

[Mr. Perfect]

And Obama won more superdelegates, handing him the nomination.

[anderson]

Uh..she was down 1828-1726 in normal delegates. For Clinton to have won, the superdelegates actually would have had to have "stolen it" and "given it" to her, by a roughly 400-300 margin, or roughly 56%-44%, despite her trailing in delegates 52-48 and leading in votes by a mere 47.8-47.4%.
They didn't give it to Obama, they simpy didn't not give it to him.

[Tinker]

[noddy]

"President Obama says the US sent a clear message to Egypt. The message was a text and it read "WTF LOL!!!! xoxo USA""

[Tinker]

[AzariLoveIran]

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Nobel Price a farce .. went off-road 50 yrs ago .. most Nobel Prices, these days, political BS

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[Tinker]

[crashtech]

[Mr. Perfect]

I guess Rumsfelds comments were needed to add insight for Tinker. Thanks Rummy, I did not know Tinker was in error on this point.

[Tinker]

[crashtech]

Hey, I'm just saying that the committee has made a mockery of their benefactor's intent.

[Tinker]

[crashtech]

It seems like you are playing both sides of the fence here, or your dislike for Rumsfeld combined with reflexive defense of Obama is just getting the best of you.

[Tinker]

[Endovelico]

[lzzrdgrrl]

No.....

The mistake is the assumption that our collective political mind has evolved beyond Sir James George Frazer's of magical thought......

We are simply primitives with few survival skills and and not many aesthetic attributes......

[Caskhades]

In other news, the deficit for February was $223 billion dollars.