The non-specific leftist

[Mr. Perfect]

In the last I don't know, 6 months, I have seen the left engage a new narrative;

"Everybody knows what needs to be done! We just need to have the courage to do it!"

And they say it with a whole lot of self satisfaction. I mean they really seem to think they hit the nail on the head with that.

So I listen and think, oh we need courage. I guess that must be because what "needs to be done" is pretty scary. I wonder what could be this scary though.

The latest example is dipstick here:

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So I know what needs to be done, but frankly it isn't that scary. So it occurred to me that maybe what I'm thinking about and what they're thinking about are different things. Which leads to the possibility that maybe everybody doesn't know what needs to be done. Which would cause a real problem for these Democrats.

The obvious conclusions then is they are mistaken. I mean maybe everybody doesn't[i] know what needs to be done. Maybe that is the problem! Maybe nobody knows what to do! Maybe that's it!

But the Democrats seem to think they know what needs to be done they just don't have the courage. Why is that? Why would they not have the courage to do what needs to be done? Lets go one further. [i]Why do they not have the courage to even SAY what needs to be done? Why is that?

If the Democrats do not have the courage to say what needs to be done, let alone then debate it or do it, maybe it is time for Democrats to go bye bye. Get to fightin' or get out of the way.

[Mr. Perfect]

oops, wrong forum, please move.

[Tinker]

Everyone knows the War on Drugs is a failure and is hurting this country and the entire world, but no one has the courage to stand up and say straight up, "Enough is enough."

[Mr. Perfect]

Well that's not true. The War On Drugs has considerable popular support. Not everybody knows what you say. AND, lots and lots of people say that all the time. So that doesn't work.

This will be an interesting exercise.

[Tinker]

[skyhook77sfg]

how any responsible officer of the US government can even say WAR ON DRUGS out loud

while USMC and US ARMY patrol through endless plots of opium poppies in the Stan

with orders not to harm the crops in any way

JUST TAKES MY BREATH AWAY AND DESTROYS WHATEVER SHRED OF CREDIBILITY ANY OF THEM EVER HAD


WAR ON DRUGS

THATS A GOOD ONE


and a bongo player sparking up in washington square goes to rikers...

horseshit for brains IMHO

[the glowing carp]

Coalition Soldier walking through poppy field in Afghanistan, how is that war on drugs working out for you Mr P?

[Mr. Perfect]

That's what is hilarious.

You guys had two years with near record Democrats in government, did nothing about the Drug War, and now blame me for it.

A hopelessly dysfunctional, anti-intellectual movement, drug legalizers.

[skyhook77sfg]

YOU'RE THE ONE WITH THE DRUG PHOBIA....

amongst many others....

btw

two is what to eight?

[the glowing carp]

[crashtech]

He says "drug legalizers" like it's an insult. How very authoritarian. Thanks for the continual reminders of why I cannot in good conscience ally with those who PRETEND to love freedom.

[AzariLoveIran]

[skyhook77sfg]

pretty much so....

except last sentence.

pentagon does not run drugs....period


its certain connected officials

at all levels of government

from cia to local judiciary and law enforcement

[Mr. Perfect]

[Mr. Perfect]

[crashtech]

I ally with no political party because no party represents my interests. This government operates without my consent, and I will no longer help legitimize it by taking part in its so-called elections. In Soviet Russia, "election" officials bribed citizens to come vote for the one candidate by giving away free vodka, because they could point to the turnout as a sign of legitimacy. At this point, it doesn't matter if we managed to elect some politicians who are "different," or "better." The problems are structural, and can't be fixed. The train has left the station. Now get back to your delusions of Republicans saving America, but leave me out of it. I just don't see things the way you do anymore.

BTW, if you want to call me names, I'd prefer you do it directly, instead of the offhand way you are doing it now.

[Mr. Perfect]

[Tinker]

[Mr. Perfect]

I haven't the faintest what you're talking about. You had two years with record numbers of Democrats to end your drug war, nothing changed, and you want to get mad at me, and you don't even know my position on it. You guys are hopeless on this. You guys are SWAT team for thee (meth, coke) but not for me. You wrap yourself in the robes of liberty when it suits you and condemn them when it doesn't. It's just shibboleth politics and I reserve the right to not play when I don't feel like it.

There are dozens of ways in which my rights are violated every day, but I obey the law and wow I'm not in jail. Maybe those people are in jail because they are breaking the law. Maybe civil disobedience is not the way to address this. I've been told the war on drugs is a failure for over 30 years, but every day pot smokers turn 40 or have kids and magically want to see pot remain illegal. This is not about me. I'm not involved in this. I don't do drugs. Lots of you do, however. You guys work it out amongst yourselves. Get all your forward thinking Democrat friends in CA, NY, IL, OR, WA, MA, VT, etc to just end state drug illegality. Do that. But ask yourself first why after 30-40 years of failure they haven't done it.

The Democrats are hopelessly hypocritical on dozens of issues now (search "mouse peeing on cotton", handy indexing tool) so your ability to play that card has real limits. You may think what you want about what you think I think but at the end of the day it gets you no closer to your goal, and in fact muddies the waters in the process. Because this is about litmus testing and shibboleths, which has turned off the public on this issue. Sometime you can turn off the public, and sometimes you can't. If you are serious about this issue you are going to have abandon your current tactics and start all over.

[AzariLoveIran]

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no knowledgeable in this

but

a simple calculation

safe assumption @least 5 million Americans use Cocaine regularly, daily bases (1.5% of population)

I don't know how many grams they consume a day

but, let's say 5 gram a day

5 million people use 5 gram a day = 25 metric Tons a day = 10,000 Tons a yr

well

need big scale professional organization to import and distribute @least 10,000 Tons

this thing not what we think it is

and

these deadly substances are excellent weapon to fuck others

Afghanistan stuff is destroying Russian youth .. drug addiction in Russia exploding

no need West bombing Russia .. am sure CIA promoting the process of wiping out Russian (and soon Chinese) youth

Putin mad

99% of execution in Iran are drug runners (from Afghanistan transit to Turkey)


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[skyhook77sfg]

russia has BIG drug problem:



Russia has more heroin users than any other country in the world – up to two million, according to unofficial estimates. For most, their lot is a life of crime, stints in prison, probable contraction of HIV and hepatitis C, and an early death. As efforts to stem the flow of Afghan heroin into Russia bring some limited success, and the street price of the drug goes up, for those addicts who can't afford their next hit, an even more terrifying spectre has raised its head.

The home-made drug that Oleg and Sasha inject is known as krokodil, or "crocodile". It is desomorphine, a synthetic opiate many times more powerful than heroin that is created from a complex chain of mixing and chemical reactions, which the addicts perform from memory several times a day. While heroin costs from £20 to £60 per dose, desomorphine can be "cooked" from codeine-based headache pills that cost £2 per pack, and other household ingredients available cheaply from the markets.

It is a drug for the poor, and its effects are horrific. It was given its reptilian name because its poisonous ingredients quickly turn the skin scaly. Worse follows. Oleg and Sasha have not been using for long, but Oleg has rotting sores on the back of his neck.

"If you miss the vein, that's an abscess straight away," says Sasha. Essentially, they are injecting poison directly into their flesh. One of their friends, in a neighbouring apartment block, is further down the line.

"She won't go to hospital, she just keeps injecting. Her flesh is falling off and she can hardly move anymore," says Sasha. Photographs of late-stage krokodil addicts are disturbing in the extreme. Flesh goes grey and peels away to leave bones exposed. People literally rot to death.

Russian heroin addicts first discovered how to make krokodil around four years ago, and there has been a steady rise in consumption, with a sudden peak in recent months. "Over the past five years, sales of codeine-based tablets have grown by dozens of times," says Viktor Ivanov, the head of Russia's Drug Control Agency. "It's pretty obvious that it's not because everyone has suddenly developed headaches."

Heroin addiction kills 30,000 people per year in Russia – a third of global deaths from the drug – but now there is the added problem of krokodil. Mr Ivanov recalled a recent visit to a drug-treatment centre in Western Siberia. "They told me that two years ago almost all their drug users used heroin," said the drugs tsar. "Now, more than half of them are on desomorphine."

The average user of krokodil, a dirty cousin of morphine that is spreading like a virus among Russian youth, does not live longer than two or three years, and the few who manage to quit usually come away disfigured.

MAKES U.S. ADDICTION TO THE INCAS REVENGE SEEM LIKE JUST A LITTLE POWDERING OF THE NOSE

[Tinker]

[Tinker]

[crashtech]

[skyhook77sfg]

nice to see a sound mind being used

welcome to the oft maligned unaligned anti partisans...

the logical positivists who prefer what works to what doesnt

and no this aint been workin no way no how for anyone lately

but the wealthy and their corporate owned congressmen