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Postby Simple Minded » Wed Sep 07, 2011 1:29 pm

Good article....

If one party was morally superior to the other, when they re-gained the majority, they would dismantle the institutional modifications the previous majority party installed that benefits the majority party. Neither party ever seems up to the task.

September 5, 2011
The Last ModerateBy JOE NOCERA
WASHINGTON

Jim Cooper, a Blue Dog Democrat who represents the Nashville area, was first elected to Congress in 1982. He was 28, and if it’s not quite right to say he’s been there ever since — he spent eight years in the private sector after losing the race for Al Gore’s Senate seat — he’s still been a congressman most of his adult life.

You’d think that Cooper’s tenure would ensure him the privileges of seniority. It doesn’t. Considering that he’s a mild-mannered man, you’d think he’d have friends on both sides of the aisle. Not so. He’s loathed by Republicans for being in the wrong party, and scorned by Democrats for his fiscal conservatism. At the least, you’d think that he’d be respected for his institutional memory. Wrong again.

The reason is that Cooper is the House’s conscience, a lonely voice for civility in this ugly era. He remembers when compromise was not a dirty word and politicians put country ahead of party. And he’s not afraid to talk about it. “We’ve gone from Brigadoon to Lord of the Flies,” he likes to say.

I first heard him lament the state of Congress during one of those “get Elizabeth Warren” hearings held earlier this year. When it was Cooper’s turn to question her, he turned instead to the Republicans. “This Congress is viewed as dysfunctional,” he said, “and this alleged hearing is one of the reasons why. It too easily degenerates into a partisan food fight.” He pleaded with the junior members to change their mean-spirited ways before they became ingrained.

With Congress back in session this week — and the mean-spirited wrangling about to begin anew — I thought it would be useful to ask Cooper how Congress became so dysfunctional. His answer surprised me. He said almost nothing about the Tea Party. Instead, he focused on the internal dynamics of Congress itself.

To Cooper, the true villain is not the Tea Party; it’s Newt Gingrich. In the 1980s, when Tip O’Neill was speaker of the House, “Congress was functional,” Cooper told me. “Committees worked. Tip saw his role as speaker of the whole House, not just the Democrats.”

Gingrich was a new kind of speaker: deeply partisan and startlingly power-hungry. “His first move was to get rid of the Democratic Study Group, which analyzed bills, and which was so trusted that Republicans as well as Democrats relied on it,” Cooper recalled. “This was his way of preventing us from knowing what we were voting on. Today,” he added, “the ignorance around here is staggering. Nobody has any idea what they’re voting on.”

In the O’Neill era, when an important issue was being debated, there were often several legislative alternatives. But, under Gingrich, “that was eliminated in favor of one partisan bill,” said Cooper. That continued after the Democrats retook the House in 2006. “We no longer search for the best ideas or the best policies,” he said. “There was only one health care bill offered. One Dodd-Frank. Now you are either an ally or a traitor.”

Cooper was rolling now. “The real problem with big issues like Medicare is that both parties have to be brave at the same time,” he said. “Every pollster will tell you not to do that to get partisan advantage. Too many people here are willing to deliberately harm the country for partisan gain. That is borderline treason.

“This is not a collegial body anymore,” he said. “It is more like gang behavior. Members walk into the chamber full of hatred. They believe the worst lies about the other side. Two senators stopped by my office just a few hours ago. Why? They had a plot to nail somebody on the other side. That’s what Congress has come to.”

Inevitably, Cooper turned to the subject of money in politics. “Money changes hands here way too much,” he said. “Members buy their way onto committees. When I first came to Congress, the party was supposed to help you. Now, when a new member is sworn in, he or she is told what their dues are — how much they are expected to raise for the party for the next election. It’s worse in the Senate. It turns the whole place into a money machine.”

Cooper had lots more to say: about how redistricting has fostered extremism, on both the left and the right; about how Congress has become incapable of legislating on behalf of the nation; about how we are living through a new McCarthyism, aimed at destroying innocent people who want to serve their country by coming to Washington to run an agency or department.

“We survived McCarthy,” he said, suddenly, sounding a small, surprising note of optimism. “We’ll survive this.” I hope he’s right. As I prepared to leave, he added, “You can’t lose hope.”

So, yes: Let’s all hope that the next few, critical months for Congress will be better than the last few. For the country’s sake, they have to be.
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Re: similarities between the two parties....

Postby Tinker » Wed Sep 07, 2011 1:43 pm

The canary didn't die because this mine is dangerous, it died because it's lazy and wasn't raised with a proper work ethic.
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Re: similarities between the two parties....

Postby Mr. Perfect » Wed Sep 07, 2011 7:06 pm

I always love little messages about the glory of bipartisanship in the past that end up praising Democrats and condemning Republicans. Tip O Neil the bipartisan functionary. Hardy har har.
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Re: similarities between the two parties....

Postby Mr. Perfect » Wed Sep 07, 2011 7:58 pm

The Constitution is not an instrument for the government to restrain the people, it is an instrument for the people to restrain the government - lest it come to dominate our lives and interests Patrick Henry

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Re: similarities between the two parties....

Postby Tinker » Wed Sep 07, 2011 8:04 pm

The canary didn't die because this mine is dangerous, it died because it's lazy and wasn't raised with a proper work ethic.
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Re: similarities between the two parties....

Postby Mr. Perfect » Wed Sep 07, 2011 8:36 pm

What's in it for me? A guy says the GOP is the party of big government then says the GOP is destroying institutions through deregulation, I believe the kids call that "cognitive dissonance". I might call it something else, but you know.
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Re: similarities between the two parties....

Postby Demon of Undoing » Wed Sep 07, 2011 9:51 pm

Don't know what it is, but I'm agin'it.
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Re: similarities between the two parties....

Postby NapLajoieonSteroids » Thu Sep 08, 2011 1:41 am

Both parties, and most Americans, fall into the realm of corporate individualists. They aspire to atomize so as not to be under the yoke of a particular system but need and desire to protect those individuals require a corporation to establish security. American politics (Western politics?) is reduced to an argument over the rules of a society based on the will and passions of mob consensus instead of what is socially good. It, then, is no wonder that the parties are similar because the underlying motive of each is similar.

Which brings up the questions: where they ever that much different [after all, the similarity narrative has been playing since, what, Nixon, Carter?] or what collapsed that made them approach doppelganger status?
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Re: similarities between the two parties....

Postby Hapax Legomenon » Thu Sep 08, 2011 7:33 am

The Republican Party is half full of shit. There is NOTHING good to say about the Democrat Party.
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Re: similarities between the two parties....

Postby Tinker » Thu Sep 08, 2011 8:05 am

More than you deserve...

Both parties are for big government, just for different particular entitlements.

If the Republican party were willing to undo Democratic agendas completely then it would destroy institutions. I made the same critique off both parties only from opposite sides off the coin interesting that only one side was heard. Haiti remains the model for why you don't just undo what the previous program did.
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Re: similarities between the two parties....

Postby Nonc Hilaire » Thu Sep 08, 2011 1:42 pm

It's not about parties. It is simply about rule of law and the constitution, which both parties are against.
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