The non-specific leftist

[Mr. Perfect]

[skyhook77sfg]

there is only one perfect purveyor of party poop

[Tinker]

[Mr. Perfect]

[skyhook77sfg]

the two most destructive drugs in terms of human and economic cost are alcohol and nicotine....

so to remain consistent to your principles you should be working for reinstatement of Prohibition.

in my opinion, the big federal govt you loathe should not be involved in an issue states

can much more appropriately decide for themselves.....

[Mr. Perfect]

States outlaw drugs left and right.

[crashtech]

[skyhook77sfg]

federal law supercedes state law by SCOTUS diktat

in this clearly arbitrary issue that should be local...

since the most destructive drug in human and economic cost

is alcohol which does more damage than all other drugs combined


why arent you for criminalizing Jim Beam and Johnny Walker

the individual, family and economy killers on an industrial scale?

[Tinker]

[Mr. Perfect]

Well that's all convenient.

CT, this is why I do not engage this issue. In the end it is about a SWAT team for thee and not for me, and "my prohibitions are perfectly reasonable while yours are TYRANNICAL". I will pass on sorting all of that out, it is not worth it.

I see though that you will partner with people like this but will not with the GOP, which is telling.

[Tinker]

[Mr. Perfect]

At the end of the day you still want a SWAT team raiding dope pushers. A SWAT team for thee and not for me. My prohibitions are reasonable and yours are tyrannical, etc.

CT, berzer this is very basic. The realpolitik of this breaks down rather easily.

Even if I accepted your premise that doing coke or meth is my right (not saying one way or the other) in order to assemble a political coalition that would address that my counting of the numbers is that coalition would give me one freedom and take away three. That is a bad deal. I will not agree to a deal where I gain one freedom and lose three. I won't do it. And I will try to stop you from doing it.

Just the way it is.

[crashtech]

I cannot follow the contorted "logic" that gets trotted out every time social conservatives try to defend Prohibition.

Either I am free to go to the store and buy something to ingest, either some chemical or Haagan Dazs ice cream, go back to my home to do with what I will, or I am not.

If no one but the individual making the choice is (possibly) getting hurt, there is no crime being committed, other than what do-gooders are pulling out of their ass.

That, sir, is very basic.

It's not OK to treat adults as if they are children. That alone would be bad enough, but to also build a multibillion tax funded industry around it ought to enrage fiscal conservatives, especially when you consider how much money it pulls away from catching and imprisoning violent criminals. (Cue mouse peeing on cotton.)

[crashtech]

I should mention that even though I have always opposed the so-called "War on Drugs," it has now become much more personal, since I have a family member that has been caught up in the prison-industrial complex. A formerly happy, productive individual who would never hurt a fly is coming close to having their life wrecked by this stupid shit.

[skyhook77sfg]

a needless tragedy repeated endlessly....

because of mindless hypocrites usually alcohol sodden on a regular afternoon/evening basis sometimes even before a hit or two of their habitual morning black powder central nervous system stimulant
and
between puffs on the nicotine delivery system of their preference....
cigars for the me macho and rich crowd
cigarettes for the less priveleged
and a pinch or a sniff
for the traditionalist

bah humbug

[Captain Murphy]

Good. Liberals are finally starting to wise up to how to play the game. Americans don't like specifics. They don't like math and policy and analysis. Those things are for nerds. Conviction and winning are what matter now!

[Mr. Perfect]

But they just lost. Big.

Liberals everywhere were saying "Satan sandwich" and capitulation. John Boner brought change to America. STPN stimulus is history, will not be tried again for several decades. Most of liberalism is history, thanks to John Boner holding firm, being firm.

A great new chapter in the history of American freedom.

[Mr. Perfect]

[skyhook77sfg]

thank you

you have demonstrated on this thread topic the obstacle to paradigm shifts....

on cultural issues as in science the rigid ossified resistance to change ...inertia...

is usually overcome only by the replacement of one generation by another

[Mr. Perfect]

The issue is that for generations now as people get older they tend to support illegal drugs.

I fully expect that trend to continue.

[Tinker]