Civil War?

[Demon of Undoing]

I've been trying to tell folks. America is a violent country and a violent people. With people in our ( rough) in- group( other citizens) you don't see it. But as soon as an out group is encountered, or someone's behavior ostracized them, violence is by no means an American's last resort. US foreign policy isn't warlike in spite of the people, but because of them.

This is the reason we tolerate shoddy capital punishment systems, why gun ownership is in many places universal. It is how we got our land, how we acquired a large part of our initial manpower boost. Every time we have gone to war, it has either made us stronger or made us weaker in more or less imperceptible ways. The idea of a heinous offender not making it to trial is neither shocking or uncommon. We are completely fine with criminal subgroups being at war as long as they don't hurt business. The average American can ignore five violent things before breakfast. It's in our movies, our literature, our music and our religion.

Plenty of people acknowledge these things separately without ever piecing it together. I mark it up to the advertising. There has never been a people more violent with less objective excuse than Americans. It's who we are.

[Tinker]

[Mr. Perfect]

What do you call the people shooting teargas? I know they take orders from Democrats, but that has to count for something.

[Mr. Perfect]

[Mr. Perfect]

[Tinker]

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[Mr. Perfect]

[Demon of Undoing]

Is it yur contention then that this is the Democrats repressing their " own"? I see it as establishment vs outsiders. I can't picture things going overly well in Republican areas.

Also, how is this relevant? Mayors are mayors about civil unrest.

[Mr. Perfect]

Yes that is my contention.

By the left's standards, GWB was directly responsible for Abu Graib and the issue was not primarily the troops that actually did the deeds, and the left howled about that very long and very hard.

That is debatable about GWB, but what is not debatable is by that standard these attacks are directly attributable to the cities and the people they elect. The Mayors in this case are 2-3 people removed from the cops on the front lines and the protests are right in their front yards on local tv.

None of that could be said about GWB.

And of course the left is no longer howling about the people in charge, no it's the cops now.

I think we all know why.

[Tinker]

[Mr. Perfect]

Political advantage being enjoyed 24/7.

[Tinker]

What people don't understand about the breakdown of cohesion is that it comes in at every level. It is employees more willing to steal staplers and thumb drives from work. It is DHS not sharing information with CIA and vice versa. It is more off the reservation activity by government security state officials. It's FBI agent provocateurs killing a negro woman at the Selma march in order to provoke a response from the KKK since their other provocations couldn't get the KKK to do something stupid prior to that. It's a loss of faith in the government, and an increase in faith in the tribal security community at the local level. It's more infiltration of local PD by gangsters, more infiltration of Intelligence agencies by foreign intelligence. The way we treat AIPAC in American foreign policy is kind of the canary here. Corporations now that they are multinational do not see themselves as American companies. I know for a fact that people on Wall Street do not see a worker in Illinois as being more deserving of a job than a worker in Mumbai. I know this for a fact because they have told me this directly.

No one has ever seen this in the kind of atomized society that we currently live in. It's the wild west with 250,000,000 more people.

Some people on the so-called 'right' seem to be looking for their Asabiyah in the Republican Party, and Sarah Palin and Glenn Beck are more than happy to rip them off in the process.

Liberals think they will be lynched in the South. Southern Conservatives think that urban Liberals are wicked and deceitful. The fact of the matter is the fracture of trust doesn't break down on familiar lines. It's a spider-web.

It's this:


Not this:


I remember the greatest level of cohesion as an American in my entire life right after 9/11. it lasted for more than a year. Then they started beating the drum for war in Iraq and it broke, and suddenly all of us who opposed the war in Iraq, hated America. It was amazing how fast the switch was, how quickly our countrymen turned against us. I remember it. I remember it well.

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[Ibrahim]

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